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1939 aero 40-3785p
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Silver Surfer
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as previously written about putting a uv [black light] on the blood chit and patch, I dug out my black light and took some pix. as you will see, if you can see anything because the pix are so dark, there are no glowing areas on either the chit or patch. no glow on any stitching. despite our resident patch and blood chit expert's claim, I have concluded that both the patch and chit are legit wwll correct. the only thing fake about them is falling them fake. "fake" is a word that some like to use over and over again f
or baseless unfounded claims. next point: yes, the jacket is for sale and I would like $1700 for it. the measurements are as follows. pit to pit: 23. front length: 24". sleeves without cuffs: 23" on the left, 22 1/2" on the right. with cuffs 25 3/8", and 25" respectively. shoulder seam to shoulder seam at the top back: 19 1/4". back length from the stand collar seam to the bottom of the leather: 23 1/4" with the waistband: 25 3/8". alll I can see on my monitor is black. I hope the pix have some clarity on other monitors. if not, I will try again for a better viewing. thanx all.
Silver Surfer
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Any trace elements of acrylic, polyester, etc will glow under uv (black light) these materials came into prevalent usage in the late 1940s. Another viable test is to burn a pice of thread. If it burns, it is cotton or silk. If it melts, it is man made fiber.
Grant
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Ah ok, so the black light test clears up is the patch, name tag and chit were not made from acrylic, polyester, etc and were sewn on with cotton thread.
Couldn't they still could have been added later to the jacket when the liner was replaced assuming the liner was also sewn in with cotton thread?
Couldn't they still could have been added later to the jacket when the liner was replaced assuming the liner was also sewn in with cotton thread?
Silver Surfer
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yes, added after the jacket was relined. I assume to replace a patch and blood chit that was originally on the jacket.
ZuZu
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Don't think I would trust much of this unless you know for sure this guy was in the CBI etc.etc. with a rock solid provenance. Having done many forgery-grade [patches and paintings in the 70s and 80s and looking at these patches I think all of them including the arm bit are possible fakes. Everything looks too perfect (at least the front patch and chit) and the arm painting looks exactly like stuff I did with enamel model paint and skilful "age" application.Of interest:
US Army Air Force A2 Jacket Size 44 - CBI
A truly Iconic US Army Air Force A2 Jacket in a large size 44 and sporting an original hand painted shoulder shield of the China-Burma-India Theatre. Made from horsehide by the Aero Leather Company of Beacon New York, their jackets considered amongst the best produced. On the left breast is...www.themilitariadealers.com
That being said $1700 for this jacket in its restored condition is great! Very fair.
Lord Flashheart
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2BM2K
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According to the article he flew bombers whereas the OP states an Air Transport Command patch.
Something is amiss here but we do know that the patch is not original to the jacket.
Shanghai-Mayne
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14th AF , for a while during 1944, they use B-24s, transport various suppliers to certain air base located behind Japanese line.
Shanghai-Mayne
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bseal
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Yet another terrific reason for Jan to be just a wee bit smug. Thank you Natalie.
B-Man2
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Spitfireace
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If you are going to restore this jacket based on what I've seen of the before and after pics. If you restore the liner, why would you not give it new knits to replace the shredded cuffs etc, while you are at it? The nametag is original to the jacket in before pic, fine, sew that on again over the new liner. Why put on repro patches over where there used to be the original patches? As said lots of jackets have stitch holes from prior patches, that is the natural evolution or history of the jacket, so why put on new patches? You don't really need to. I think it's just an effort to get more money for it. Therefore maybe call it embellishment rather than fakery? That is if all the added patches are correct to the original. That's difficult and who really knows. There was no pic of the back of the jacket before the liner was changed, which makes it even more mysterious, I can't see any stitch holes on the original liner that indicates that patches were there before.
Vic isn't asking a lot for the jacket so I'm not accusing him of profiteering.
2BM2K
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Spitfireace
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Alright then. It's a reasonable reconstruction.
