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Spent some birthday money.
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atkins
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Dean, it closed at $158! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220924669832&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
deand
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atkins said:
Great! I hope the buyer is satisfied. I have received the jacket and am presently working on it to change a few things, i.e., I rubbed it down with alcohol to take the sheen off it, and have begun adding stitching rows to the epauettes. I might also to add vent grommets under the arms. I'd say the color is a chocolate brown, but not richly so, and it makes me wonder if that red-dye applied would 'russet' it up a bit. The 'disco' collar is a bit large, but with some H2O and shaping, it works well to produce the 'mona lisa' collar effect posted about elsewhere in the forum. I'll post some shots later, as best my phone can take, after further work.
dean
deand
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I know this sounds crazy, but I'm beginning to suspect this jacket, one of the 99, as in dollars, some might say, is possibly/maybe/perhaps horsehide. I have a couple of goat jackets and this is just notlike them. It has some grain showing, wrinkling nice with wear, and actually feels pretty tough. Reasons I would not have assumed it could be horse are 1) it was not expensive, 2) it was not so described , 3) no tag specifying horse is visible, 3) I have never handled a jacket known to be horsehide, and therefore could not offer my own knowledgeable opinion and 4) I would have expected horsehide to be a bit stiffer/thicker than this jacket, aware that varying thickness/weight of hides exist and maybe cheaper jackets use th lighter weights. Perhaps not consistently though, I understand as well. Maybe the photos I posted in this thread would be helpful to the cognoscenti of the forum in confirming or dispelling this notion of mine. Fire at will. :lol: 
dean
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deand
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Indeed, cow it may be. Leather ID is tough, I know. Haven't handled steerhide, either, aprt from a baseball mitt and a shoulder bag I use to carry my pastoral agenda and communion set. The hide is so smooth i was at first afraid it was vinyl :shock: , but looked inside the pockets and undersides of the epaulettes and was reassured of its pedigree. Thanks for the responses!
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Dr H
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atkins said:I think someone mention it is impossible to tell the difference between horse and cow. and the only way to tell is DNA testing
Or MALDI-ToF-SIMS (I posted on this elsewhere). It was used to differentiate between the species used for the clothing/hides on Otzi the iceman (body found on the Swiss/Italian border)...
Ian C
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Dr H said:atkins said:I think someone mention it is impossible to tell the difference between horse and cow. and the only way to tell is DNA testing
Or MALDI-ToF-SIMS (I posted on this elsewhere). It was used to differentiate between the species used for the clothing/hides on Otzi the iceman (body found on the Swiss/Italian border)...
He had a yew longbow on him too which dispels the myth that the Welsh invented them.
I think flight apparel industries used different hides. Probably used what was available at different times as far as weight and thickness goes. They definitely used goat, and the jacket I have is horse. I wouldn't call it thin though. Yours could well be horse. I guess we'll never know the full story of what this company did, and they stopped manufacturing in about 1986.
I think it partially depends on how the hides are finished whether one can readily tell if it is cow or horse, but it is my understanding and from what I've seen it isn't too hard to distinguish. Grain and pore sizes are different, the hand is generally different. I've seen an Eastman Steer hide A-2 and it was definitely different from horse in feel, hand and close look.
There was a pretty good write up on the Horween site.
I think it partially depends on how the hides are finished whether one can readily tell if it is cow or horse, but it is my understanding and from what I've seen it isn't too hard to distinguish. Grain and pore sizes are different, the hand is generally different. I've seen an Eastman Steer hide A-2 and it was definitely different from horse in feel, hand and close look.
There was a pretty good write up on the Horween site.
