WW1 Grizzly

[John Lever]

Original or a made up item ?
http://cgi.ebay.de/1-WK-I-Fliegerjacke- ... 27ae1ad31e

 

[Roughwear]

I know very little about these sort of coats John, but there are a couple of things which make me question its age. 1. the label appears to be freshly sewn on-it could be modern sewing of the original label though. 2. the crown marking on the buttons-whose crown exactly is it supposed to be? Would German jackets have a crown on the buttons like this in 1918?

 

[John Lever]

Look like creative tailoring to me.
BTW did you see the early RAF at auction. I had my suspicions when the label states size 44, thought it could be a repro but I don't think it is. The fleece looks very clean and almost new.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

 

[Roughwear]

I sold this Irvin to the current seller over two years ago. It is a decent size and is the work of IAC. It's a decent jacket and robust enough to use as a daily wearer.

 

[havocpaul]

I don't think it's a genuine German WW1 coat, crown buttons were usually a Swedish trait and this maybe a Swedish coat as they did have various styles of long coats from the early 20th century onwards. Their coats also have prominent date stamps, although I think this may be a later (mocked-up) label with the Imperial German Air Force badge on it. It could therefore be a Swedish coat from the period, perhaps with some added fur(?). Imperial German pilots bought taylor-made jackets privately much as they did in WW2 but this just doesn't look 'right'.

 

[Roughwear]

Your explanation sounds logical Paul. Have you told the seller?

 

[havocpaul]

I have found some German sellers in particular none too responsive when trying to give them information! I usually find that if it is a case of trying to 'deceive', shall we say, any corrections will not be transcripted on a listing.

 

[Roughwear]

I have found some German sellers in particular none too responsive when trying to give them information! I usually find that if it is a case of trying to 'deceive', shall we say, any corrections will not be transcripted on a listing.

This is certainly true of Colvinex who did not revise his recent Poughkeepsie listing when I pointed out the replaced knits and zip and damage to the leather. This might explain why some of his items are re-listed after either being sold or perhaps "sold" to himself by using another identity!

I did email the seller about the coat and he would not have it that was anything other than described and said the buttons were 100% Prussian.

 

[havocpaul]

That's exactly the response from the seller I would have expected!

 

[joeson]

There is no way that mouton from that period would look that fresh.It would have had to have been kept in a climate controlled environment,away from any natural light.This is not borne out by the condition of the leather on the rest of the garment.Also,as pointed out by Andrew,the label has been recently sewn on.

 

[Roughwear]

There is no way that mouton from that period would look that fresh.It would have had to have been kept in a climate controlled environment,away from any natural light.This is not borne out by the condition of the leather on the rest of the garment.Also,as pointed out by Andrew,the label has been recently sewn on.

If you tell the seller all this he will say its original Prussian mouton kept in the dark for 90 years. :lol:

 

[asiamiles]

"NO SALES TO ITALY AND FRANCE,since apparently Ebayers from there have their own standards when it comes to respect listed conditions and paying."

The jacket could well have been worn in combat though as it sounds like the seller is still at war with with some of Europe!

 

[jack31916]

I don't know anything about the jacket itself (which doesn't look very convincing) but the buttons used are of the correct Imperial German type i.e. Kaiserkrone (Emporer's Crown).

See also this link: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/flieger/f01.htm

Regards

 

[Stony]

I like the last line listed.

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