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rare one from the 20's
- Thread starter dujardin
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Andrew
Well-Known Member
I'm not at all convinced that is real. Really- more like a literal modern take on the era. You know, someone finds an old leather coat and thinks " this looks like a barnstormers coat, i'll paint something appropriate on the back" :lol:
I'll be happy to be proven wrong though!
I'll be happy to be proven wrong though!
Chandler
Well-Known Member
The way the inner fleece stops 2/3s down the lining reminds me of a similar coat I inherited from my grandfather.
His coat is much darker in color and is a button front, double breasted with a waist belt. Same slash pockets and collar, though - and probably from the '30s as RW mentions.
Why so certain on the veg-tanning RW? Or do you mean aniline finish on top of veg tan because of the wear? I've seen many veg-tanned jackets with spray finish (my ELC 1401, for one) that haven't worn like this example.
Chandler
His coat is much darker in color and is a button front, double breasted with a waist belt. Same slash pockets and collar, though - and probably from the '30s as RW mentions.
Why so certain on the veg-tanning RW? Or do you mean aniline finish on top of veg tan because of the wear? I've seen many veg-tanned jackets with spray finish (my ELC 1401, for one) that haven't worn like this example.
Chandler
dujardin
Well-Known Member
this is the description of this jacket by the seller.
sorry for the delay, i had some troubles with my connection this time.
This is a very rare item from the estate of Ormer Locklear, the acknowledge "father" of the daredevil wingwalker stunt men of the early 20th century.
This is a very high quality fleece lined mid-thigh flight coat featuring period artwork of Ormer Locklear atop of the upper wing of a Curtiss JN-4 biplane.
He served two years in the US Army Air Service Signal Corps during WWI, and became a professional stunt pilot and barnstormer after he was discharged in 1919. He was very highly paid and perfected a number of very complex stunts in and on top of his aircraft, including transferring from one plane to another in flight. You can read some of his history here. He was killed in an aerial stunt (piloting) while filming a movie at night. He was apparently blinded by the strong lights and crashed in 1920.
This is a close-up of the artwork. The coat measures 20 across the chest (about a size 40), 18 inches across the shoulders and 18 inches on the inseam of the arm.
The condition is near excellent, excepting some routine wear on the leather and some slight crazing of the paint from age.
This is a very scarce item of apparel, worn when he was making public appearances on the ground. His in-flight jacket was much closer fitting.
byeeeeeeeeeeee marcel
sorry for the delay, i had some troubles with my connection this time.
This is a very rare item from the estate of Ormer Locklear, the acknowledge "father" of the daredevil wingwalker stunt men of the early 20th century.
This is a very high quality fleece lined mid-thigh flight coat featuring period artwork of Ormer Locklear atop of the upper wing of a Curtiss JN-4 biplane.
He served two years in the US Army Air Service Signal Corps during WWI, and became a professional stunt pilot and barnstormer after he was discharged in 1919. He was very highly paid and perfected a number of very complex stunts in and on top of his aircraft, including transferring from one plane to another in flight. You can read some of his history here. He was killed in an aerial stunt (piloting) while filming a movie at night. He was apparently blinded by the strong lights and crashed in 1920.
This is a close-up of the artwork. The coat measures 20 across the chest (about a size 40), 18 inches across the shoulders and 18 inches on the inseam of the arm.
The condition is near excellent, excepting some routine wear on the leather and some slight crazing of the paint from age.
This is a very scarce item of apparel, worn when he was making public appearances on the ground. His in-flight jacket was much closer fitting.
byeeeeeeeeeeee marcel
Baron Kurtz
New Member
caveat emptor indeed.
Mark me into the not convinced (highly skeptical) brigade. The grommet-less zipper is a big negative for me re: the 20s or 30s dating. In fact this jacket has none of the accepted features of the early leather sports wear.
As for the hide - ignoring for now my opinion that it's practically impossible to ID hide from photographs - this hide looks awfully like California Sportswear washable goatskin from the middle 40s and later.
I'd be guessing a 50s or later jacket, and even later paintwork. A poor sham.
bk
Mark me into the not convinced (highly skeptical) brigade. The grommet-less zipper is a big negative for me re: the 20s or 30s dating. In fact this jacket has none of the accepted features of the early leather sports wear.
As for the hide - ignoring for now my opinion that it's practically impossible to ID hide from photographs - this hide looks awfully like California Sportswear washable goatskin from the middle 40s and later.
I'd be guessing a 50s or later jacket, and even later paintwork. A poor sham.
bk
John Lever
Moderator
The painting looks too fresh and too sophisticated to be very old.
handworn
Active Member
I've collected quite a few clothing & department-store catalogs of the early and middle parts of the 20th century, and all the leather jackets in my copies before 1930 or so have buttons, not zippers. Based on that, on the half-belt stubs on each side and on the design of the back, my guess would be that this is 1940s, and the painting later.
