John Lever
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I'd buy one from Japan or if Gary would do a un adulterated jacket for me.
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ELC Perry Sportswear mixed batch B-3
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m444uk
Active Member
John Lever said:Oh no.....it's much more than that. A process converts beautiful shiny fleece into cotton wool. Washing ,baking ...? It's such a unnecessary process that ruins a world class product
Here is the sample before treatment
It's on par with other manufacturers like RMNZ.
This is how it changes
Interesting claim ? What about these 2. One is over 70 years old and the other put through the timeworn process...when the guy who does it was on holiday !
I like both.
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John Lever
Moderator
Two photos of SFAD skin one before the other after treatment. The difference is very obvious.
Rick Mayall bought a 50 cal from Germany and immediately returned it because the fleece was so poor, so it's not just me !
The collar in the first photo looks excellent btw.
Rick Mayall bought a 50 cal from Germany and immediately returned it because the fleece was so poor, so it's not just me !
The collar in the first photo looks excellent btw.
m444uk
Active Member
I once saw a bunch of ELC Irvins at the Museum at Duxford about 8 years ago. Not broken grain but they were all horrible. A batch of shearling that didn't have enough body in the fleece. Very soft and weak feeling with a nasty pink brown colour that was uniform and flat. The hide itself had a rubbery hand.
John Lever
Moderator
I think batches vary considerably. I quite like the rubbery Irvins....
Just wish the TW was an option.
Just wish the TW was an option.
John Lever
Moderator
Rob sent it to me so I could test Scotch guard on it.
John Lever
Moderator
I can do it by wetting and force drying.
m444uk
Active Member
I think I said before when they first launched broken grain, they were possibly using an astringent to get the surface to striate. Also, that it means the hide might tear more easily. Since then things have improved and I like the shearling used on the .50 cal and redskin jackets although the skins can be on the thin side in places. Sounds like heat is being used as well :cry:
John Lever
Moderator
Surely they would shrink the skins before making the jackets ?
Beautiful jacket Andrew and that IS a perfect fit. But, I see John's point and always have, on all repro fleece jackets, the fleece does not have the very slight color variation's you see on some original B-3's, but the main issue that stands out to me and is obvious in John's comparison pics, is the loss of the natural "Shimmer" in the coat or we call it fleece but it is actually the animals coat. But this debate is ancient history here regarding the hides on all repro's - the chemicals used in all phases of tanning etc. 80 years' ago are illegal and just can not be done any longer, no matter how many - Warhorse, Victoryhorse, Real Deal, Time worn, Combat Clone, 50 cal. versions of hides are made, if the old methods could still be used these false attempts at reproducing them would not be necessary, IMHO
John Lever
Moderator
Gary confirmed that the fleece is dulled down as part of the TW process. Wish it were an option .
John Lever
Moderator
Not an expert just an enthusiast.
I have only owned one Aero B3. It was very well made and solid with thick yellow wool.
At one point Aero used a single fleece length throughout so the cuffs looked very woolly. They now follow the original specifications more closely and also have some nice sheepskins and good thick saddlery straps. Obviously Eastman have several models to choose from.
I have only owned one Aero B3. It was very well made and solid with thick yellow wool.
At one point Aero used a single fleece length throughout so the cuffs looked very woolly. They now follow the original specifications more closely and also have some nice sheepskins and good thick saddlery straps. Obviously Eastman have several models to choose from.
