buzzthetower
Administrator
Gents,
This has become a bit of a heated debate, more about words and attitudes than about a jacket and how it can be improved. I think everyone is trying to put in a valid point, and through a window of the internet, the message can come across as mean-spirited, even if that wasn’t the intention.
I’ve had this happen with the things I’ve made, and had to take a deep breath and make sure that a comment wasn’t meant as an insult, but just a comment.
I think that Dave is more than happy to make improvements of what he’s doing…otherwise, I doubt he would be posting on this forum. We all know that if you post something, you’ll get comments (the whole purpose of a forum), and with some situations, I think you have to accept that if you post in a manner that comes across like you’re having fun throwing rocks (even if it’s just perceived that way), the recipient of airborne rocks may throw some back.
I have a funny feeling that Dave is both excited and looking for input on the jackets that he’s making. He’s been an active member here for years, and has indeed kept many a customer happy with the AAF crusher caps that he makes. It’s extremely hard to make leather jackets well, and forums like this are important for getting those products to be even better…for everyone.
As a moderator, I have little to no power to ask anyone to do anything, but I do ask that input be done in a manner that would help a person do their best. I think that TCWU’s comments sounded a bit harsh, but I doubt that it was meant in that manner at all. What I don’t hope to see is a slew of comments as to who is right or wrong. This was a situation with some misunderstandings, and just as any one of us would feel in bringing an idea to a boss, and having it bullet-pointed in how wrong it is, it would hurt. How would we like to have problems pointed out? What was good about the idea?
That being said, I know all of us tend to have strong opinions, and that’s a good thing. I can only hope that the opinions be tempered with a little consideration of how to bring them up. I’m painfully opinionated, and in private will spew those opinions, but I hope to be helpful in saying what I think, rather than tearing someone down.
We’re lucky to have so many companies that make cool jackets these days, and Dave has absolutely added to the field…and he’s just starting. I know myself how hard this is, and though it’s not motivated by a popularity contest, a little encouragement goes a long way. As does criticism of the details.
I don’t post much any more, so I hope I’m helping the situation. I have so many emails that I’m behind on, I find that whenever I do post on this forum, I get PM’s saying “Why haven’t you answered my email?????” – back to that situation for me! I bought an Eastman B-3 from Gary back in 2008 and meant to post it here on the forum as to how well made it looks, and I never did, for fear of being blasted by not keeping up on emails. Isn't it silly that a moderator is afraid to post on a forum? I feel a bit foolish.
John
This has become a bit of a heated debate, more about words and attitudes than about a jacket and how it can be improved. I think everyone is trying to put in a valid point, and through a window of the internet, the message can come across as mean-spirited, even if that wasn’t the intention.
I’ve had this happen with the things I’ve made, and had to take a deep breath and make sure that a comment wasn’t meant as an insult, but just a comment.
I think that Dave is more than happy to make improvements of what he’s doing…otherwise, I doubt he would be posting on this forum. We all know that if you post something, you’ll get comments (the whole purpose of a forum), and with some situations, I think you have to accept that if you post in a manner that comes across like you’re having fun throwing rocks (even if it’s just perceived that way), the recipient of airborne rocks may throw some back.
I have a funny feeling that Dave is both excited and looking for input on the jackets that he’s making. He’s been an active member here for years, and has indeed kept many a customer happy with the AAF crusher caps that he makes. It’s extremely hard to make leather jackets well, and forums like this are important for getting those products to be even better…for everyone.
As a moderator, I have little to no power to ask anyone to do anything, but I do ask that input be done in a manner that would help a person do their best. I think that TCWU’s comments sounded a bit harsh, but I doubt that it was meant in that manner at all. What I don’t hope to see is a slew of comments as to who is right or wrong. This was a situation with some misunderstandings, and just as any one of us would feel in bringing an idea to a boss, and having it bullet-pointed in how wrong it is, it would hurt. How would we like to have problems pointed out? What was good about the idea?
That being said, I know all of us tend to have strong opinions, and that’s a good thing. I can only hope that the opinions be tempered with a little consideration of how to bring them up. I’m painfully opinionated, and in private will spew those opinions, but I hope to be helpful in saying what I think, rather than tearing someone down.
We’re lucky to have so many companies that make cool jackets these days, and Dave has absolutely added to the field…and he’s just starting. I know myself how hard this is, and though it’s not motivated by a popularity contest, a little encouragement goes a long way. As does criticism of the details.
I don’t post much any more, so I hope I’m helping the situation. I have so many emails that I’m behind on, I find that whenever I do post on this forum, I get PM’s saying “Why haven’t you answered my email?????” – back to that situation for me! I bought an Eastman B-3 from Gary back in 2008 and meant to post it here on the forum as to how well made it looks, and I never did, for fear of being blasted by not keeping up on emails. Isn't it silly that a moderator is afraid to post on a forum? I feel a bit foolish.
John
