Major's BRONCO with red silk lining

[Roughwear]

Assuming the lining is original, and the guy was an ace this is a very rare find. Decent size too.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW-II-LEATHER-A-2 ... 0282332876

 

[havocpaul]

Interesting but with an ASC patch so not a fighter pilot unless promoted to ASC later on, deserves research.

 

[Roughwear]

Interesting but with an ASC patch so not a fighter pilot unless promoted to ASC later on, deserves research.

I was thinking the same Paul. An interesting research project for someone.

 

[hacker]

Interesting but with an ASC patch so not a fighter pilot unless promoted to ASC later on, deserves research.

I would highly doubt that going from fighter ops to ASC would be viewed as a promotion! :lol:



Hacker

 

[havocpaul]

Wouldn't be the first promotion to Major that put someone in command of a less 'glamorous' service, quite possible IMO.

 

[watchmanjimg]

I did a quick Google search and G.J. Dettore appears to be a WW2 militaria collector. I'm not sure if this bears on the authenticity of the insignia on this jacket, but it's food for thought. I also didn't see where the jacket is claimed to have belonged to a fighter pilot, so who knows?

 

[havocpaul]

That's interesting; the listing didn't claim it to be a fighter pilot's jacket but red silk lining is thought of as sign of an 'ace' as apparently was done in the 56th FG amongst others...myth, legend or fact.

 

[watchmanjimg]

That's interesting; the listing didn't claim it to be a fighter pilot's jacket but red silk lining is thought of as sign of an 'ace' as apparently was done in the 56th FG amongst others...myth, legend or fact.

All that could be true if the jacket were patched after the war.

 

[jacketimp]

here's my take...........it's NOT a red lining.....a brown one...look at the pix......the name tag and the hide has a reddish hue....

then look at theother two pix of the jkt full frontal and back.......the brown that's 'normal.

i think it's just the photography that makes the pics look redder than they should.

if the lining is indeed red silk. it'd GLOSS....

so putting evrything in my context, not an ace jkt.....just another A2........

what say the experts.................

 

[jacketimp]

by the way check out the full frontal of the jacket.......the colour of the collar is lighter compared with the rest of the body.....possibility that the collar was a restoration piece?

unless it's lighting again.

then check out the knits.

draw your own conclusions........

best way is to have the A2 in your hands.......

 

[Roughwear]

Imp is this one of your tricks? It could simply be the light BUT I think no.The label appears to have remnants of brown lining showing on the right side. It has clearly been sewn on again as there is different lighter stitching. IMO the jacket has been re-lined at some stage, possibly even post war.

 

[jacketimp]

I did a quick Google search and G.J. Dettore appears to be a WW2 militaria collector. I'm not sure if this bears on the authenticity of the insignia on this jacket, but it's food for thought. I also didn't see where the jacket is claimed to have belonged to a fighter pilot, so who knows?

see my theory........ so what happens if the collector GJ Dettorre decides to have his name tag on the jkt........just like waht some our our members do.........so the jkt is original and bits and bobs were added on later.......

plausible?

c'mon you can't rule out the possibility!

 

[jacketimp]

Imp is this one of your tricks? It could simply be the light BUT I think no.The label appears to have remnants of brown lining showing on the right side. It has clearly been sewn on again as there is different lighter stitching. IMO the jacket has been re-lined at some stage, possibly even post war.

no tricks.....or treats..........it's probabilities.....

like i say the best thing is to have the A2 in your hands.......

 

[jacketimp]

I did a quick Google search and G.J. Dettore appears to be a WW2 militaria collector. I'm not sure if this bears on the authenticity of the insignia on this jacket, but it's food for thought. I also didn't see where the jacket is claimed to have belonged to a fighter pilot, so who knows?

has anyone tried the NARA records?

this imp is just too lazeee.......it's the cold...........

 

[jacketimp]

Imp is this one of your tricks? It could simply be the light BUT I think no.The label appears to have remnants of brown lining showing on the right side. It has clearly been sewn on again as there is different lighter stitching. IMO the jacket has been re-lined at some stage, possibly even post war.

tut tut........are you thinking waht i'm thinking....

imp :twisted: ........born to play the devil's advocate??? :lol:

.....well......... :?:

 

[Roughwear]

I did a quick Google search and G.J. Dettore appears to be a WW2 militaria collector. I'm not sure if this bears on the authenticity of the insignia on this jacket, but it's food for thought. I also didn't see where the jacket is claimed to have belonged to a fighter pilot, so who knows?

see my theory........ so what happens if the collector GJ Dettorre decides to have his name tag on the jkt........just like waht some our our members do.........so the jkt is original and bits and bobs were added on later.......

plausible?

c'mon you can't rule out the possibility!

I have checked the records and guess what? He's not there. However he may have joined up prior to enlistment and was a career officer. More likely though is that Dettorre is a collector who put the name strip on himself and perhaps relined the jacket too. It makes you wonder if the patch is a later addition. :roll:

 

[jacketimp]

rule imp numero uno:

when in doubt walk away.........that way you don't get burnt.......

 

[watchmanjimg]

I did a quick Google search and G.J. Dettore appears to be a WW2 militaria collector. I'm not sure if this bears on the authenticity of the insignia on this jacket, but it's food for thought. I also didn't see where the jacket is claimed to have belonged to a fighter pilot, so who knows?

see my theory........ so what happens if the collector GJ Dettorre decides to have his name tag on the jkt........just like waht some our our members do.........so the jkt is original and bits and bobs were added on later.......

plausible?

c'mon you can't rule out the possibility!

I have checked the records and guess what? He's not there. However he may have joined up prior to enlistment and was a career officer. More likely though is that Dettorre is a collector who put the name strip on himself and perhaps relined the jacket too. It makes you wonder if the patch is a later addition. :roll:

None of Roughwear's findings surprise me in the slightest as I always suspected that at least some of the insignia was not original to this jacket. I wouldn't attempt to rule out this possibility because in my opinion it's shaping up to be a strong likelihood.

 

[Stony]

Assuming the lining is original, and the guy was an ace this is a very rare find.

Dettore is not an ace as I checked the "American Figher Aces" album and "Stars and Bars", the two leading books on American aces. Still a nice jacket though.

 

[Roughwear]

Assuming the lining is original, and the guy was an ace this is a very rare find.

Dettore is not an ace as I checked the "American Figher Aces" album and "Stars and Bars", the two leading books on American aces. Still a nice jacket though.

Stony you have confirmed our thoughts with this. The jacket has had "additions" to it since the war, most likely the lining, patches, the name strip and perhaps the knits(hard to tell though from the photos).