G1 Mouton Collar Black or Brown ?

[anthonyhie]

Hello everyone, can anyone tell me if the colour of the sheepskin collar depends on a particular rule?
For example I see G1 Brill Bros ca 68 7823D either with black collars and also for the same year with brown collars...
What makes the manufacturer put a brown or black collar?
Thank you in advance for your feedback.

 

[Flightengineer]

I have never seen a black muton on G-1, with the exception of perhaps one contract, it seems was Cagleco.
Brill from 1968 definitely has all brown mouton collars.
Usually it is brown of varying degrees of color, darker if new and lighter if faded out.
Black is usually a dynel collar and not a mouton.

 

[anthonyhie]

I have never seen a black muton on G-1, with the exception of perhaps one contract, it seems was Cagleco.
Brill from 1968 definitely has all brown mouton collars.
Usually it is brown of varying degrees of color, darker if new and lighter if faded out.
Black is usually a dynel collar and not a mouton.

Thank you very clear !

 

[JonnyCrow]

I have never seen a black muton on G-1, with the exception of perhaps one contract, it seems was Cagleco.
Brill from 1968 definitely has all brown mouton collars.
Usually it is brown of varying degrees of color, darker if new and lighter if faded out.
Black is usually a dynel collar and not a mouton.

Cagleco G1

 

[JonnyCrow]

I have never seen a black muton on G-1, with the exception of perhaps one contract, it seems was Cagleco.
Brill from 1968 definitely has all brown mouton collars.
Usually it is brown of varying degrees of color, darker if new and lighter if faded out.
Black is usually a dynel collar and not a mouton.

 

[galvestonokie]

one thing i've learned about these USN jackets over the years is that there are often exceptions. This includes collars. I agree, most of the dynel collars begin looking a shade of black. But, during my time in naval aviation (1967-1970), seems most collars were dark brown or black. and most jackets were issued prior to the dynel days. just saying, any blanket statement will probably be proven in error.

 

[Deacon211]

one thing i've learned about these USN jackets over the years is that there are often exceptions. This includes collars. I agree, most of the dynel collars begin looking a shade of black. But, during my time in naval aviation (1967-1970), seems most collars were dark brown or black. and most jackets were issued prior to the dynel days. just saying, any blanket statement will probably be proven in error.

That interesting! By my time, the ‘90s, I wouldn’t have said that any of the collars were black. Dynel of course.

Would you say that they were true black? Or just a very dark brown.

 

[ZuZu]

Cagleco G1 View attachment 86707

Nope- definitely not Cagleco- the body's way too long, pockets too far from zipper.

 

[Flightengineer]

Nope- definitely not Cagleco- the body's way too long, pockets too far from zipper.

G-1 CAGLECO 9211A contract

Hi all, A friend of mine has a nice USMC 7823 G-1 from CAGLECO SPORTSWEAR contract 383s-9211A. This jacket has a black collar. I've seen another one from the same contract with the same black collar. So, my question is: have all 9211A CAGLECO a black collar? And any other G-1 had a such black...

www.vintageleatherjackets.org

 

[ZuZu]

G-1 CAGLECO 9211A contract

Hi all, A friend of mine has a nice USMC 7823 G-1 from CAGLECO SPORTSWEAR contract 383s-9211A. This jacket has a black collar. I've seen another one from the same contract with the same black collar. So, my question is: have all 9211A CAGLECO a black collar? And any other G-1 had a such black...

www.vintageleatherjackets.org

Sadly that thread is not correct. Original Caglecos always have pocket really close to the zipper. Examples:

The jacket Holden is wearing in Brides at Toko Ri has acres of room between the zipper and the pocket:

The collar on Holden's jacket may have been less dark. Filming can be deceptive. That's why so many think A-2s were dark seal colored- the camera is a liar...

 

[bseal]

Sadly that thread is not correct. Original Caglecos always have pocket really close to the zipper. Examples:

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The jacket Holden is wearing in Brides at Toko Ri has acres of room between the zipper and the pocket:






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The collar on Holden's jacket may have been less dark. Filming can be deceptive. That's why so many think A-2s were dark seal colored- the camera is a liar...

Correction: In the film industry, it’s often referred to as a 24 frame per second lie detector.

 

[Nickb123]

Looks like there’s a pencil pocket seam in that photo.

I think Holden’s mouton is just light trickery. It is appears to be a dark dark brown. Look at where the light hits the top of the back of the collar.

 

[ZuZu]

Looks like there’s a pencil pocket seam in that photo.
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I think Holden’s mouton is just light trickery. It is appears to be a dark dark brown. Look at where the light hits the top of the back of the collar.
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I don't think that's a stitch line. I think it's something in his pocket.

 

[bseal]

Or what if he was just happy to see you?

 

[B-Man2]

Or what if he was just happy to see you?

I bet you stay up late at night just thinking about these “one liners” that you drop on us

 

[bseal]

I bet you stay up late at night just thinking about these “one liners” that you drop on us

People usually only see the product and not the process.

 

[Chandler]

People usually only see the product and not the process.

Lots of old "Tonight Show" viewing on YouTube, I imagine.