From Bugs to Donald....do you know the squadron?

[ties70]

Newest creation....just have to add the circle around Donald to finish it...Sorry for the poor picture quality

 

[Chandler]

Is that a glass cutter in his left hand?

If so, why? If not, what is it?

Chandler

 

[Andrew]

I went to post a reply to this hours ago, then got distracted- no luck with the ID yet but there's still hope. In trying to find it I've discovered that donald was the most popular character to feature in patch designs.

What I will say now is that these mini artworks are just sensational. Great work again Ties.

Chandler, I was also wondering what that thing is- it's obviously something particular but I have no idea- yet.

 

[ties70]

I have to admit that I don't have a clue about the "tool" in Donald's hand myself...my first guess was it might be something like an old key or lock pick?

Maybe nobody knew it except for the guys at Disney as the modern squadron patch shows a bolt instead of the "tool"??

Oh, by the way...it is a fighter squadron...

Ties

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Ties or should I say Van Gogh ,I do not know what squadron it is .My best guess it is a USN night fighter squadron WW2 and the tool is a lamplighter used to ignite street gas lamps .Or put more simply another way " Alles klar, keiner weiss Bescheid " :? .I am taking the book to the post office after I log off and will get back to you .

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All the best Jeff .

 

[SuinBruin]

Maybe an ice pick with water dripping on it? Between the fleece or fur-lined jacket and the northern references in the updated version (Big Dipper & North Star [Alaskan flag?], northern part of the globe), there's a suggestion of being somewhere vaguely arctic....

In any event, a very cool patch. Well done, Ties.

 

[Chris217]

It looks like a 2x4 with a nail driven through it. Something you certainly wouldn't want to get hit with.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe an ice pick with water dripping on it? Between the fleece or fur-lined jacket and the northern references in the updated version (Big Dipper & North Star [Alaskan flag?], northern part of the globe), there's a suggestion of being somewhere vaguely arctic....

In any event, a very cool patch. Well done, Ties.

You might be right with the ice pick theory

All the best jeff

 

[Anonymous]

Bugs versus Donald Duck ,bugs was mainly used by the USAAF the Donald Duck because of webbed feet fit nicely with the USN guys .Thats been my observation in my research . :|.The 4x2 with the nail could be from a flattop ?.


All the best Jeff .

 

[ties70]

Guys,

here is the final result of my 309th Fighter Squadron patch.

The 309th Pursuit Squadron was first activated at Baer Field, Fort Wayne, Indiana on January 30, 1942. After arriving in England in May 1942 the squadron was designated as the 309th Fighter Squadron, traded their P-39 Airacobras for British Spitfires, and began combat operations, achieving their first kill on only their second day of fighting.
From August 1942 to July 1943 the 309th spearheaded air offenses over North Africa and later participated in the invasion of Italy. The 309th patrolled the sky over Italy in support of the ground war until March of 1944.
They then acquired P-51 Mustangs and conducted bomber escort missions into Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Italy, and Germany. By May 7, 1945, the end of the war in Europe, the 309th claimed 173 victories.

No explanation for the sheepskin jacket and the 'ice pick', though...

Ties

 

[Anonymous]

Ties I would of lost that bet on who what when .Ties one question and you do not have to answer, why are you interested in a fomer enemy who created a lot of destruction in your country and did terrible things like the fire bombing in Dresden .I am curious because their are obviously many vets left in Germany who would frown on this and not talking NDSP but every war creats hurt injury and nightmares that can be associated to USAAF .Like I say you do not have to answer this ! .Any way nice work as usual'

Jeff

 

[ties70]

Jeff,

not much patriotism on my side.
Germany started the war, killed millions of Jews, civilians, soldiers...in the end they got what they deserved...mainly because Germans wanted the war or let it happen...

Regarding the vets:
I had two grandfathers in the service. They didn't talk much about it at all but definitely they were never whining how cruel or unjustified the situation for the Germans (civilians and soldiers) was. None of them had hard feelings against their opponents on the other side of the front.
My fathers family comes from Dessau, location of the Junkers aircraft factories...air raids were daily business...and if you ask my grandma she would tell you "Of course we were bombed. They had to come for Junkers..." .

But back to your question:
It's not a fascination for the USAAF as part of a killing / war machinery.
It is more the fascination for flying and everything related....At 39 I still look up whenever I hear plane or helicopter engines.
When I started scale modelling it was planes (and it still is today). When I joined the Navy I ended up in a helicopter squadron (paramedic on a SAR Seaking)...

And the jackets....
...got my first "flight" jacket when I was 3 years old. My Mum (who was a trained seamstress at that time) made me a sheepskin jacket that looked like the German WWII sheepskin flight jackets (of course I didn't know at that time nor would I have cared ). At 14 I got my Dad's German AF flight jacket (he was ground crew).

You see: It has always been a part of my interest... age and money just gave me the possibility to become more involved and enjoy this hobby.

Regards,

Ties

 

[deeb7]

The Wild Duck’s emblem, created in 1944 by Sgt Rolland Root, is a copyrighted design by Walt Disney from Walt Disney Productions. It symbolized the fighter mission, celestial navigation pioneered by this squadron, its around the clock mission readiness, and its striking power. The 309th Fighter Squadron emblem was the first one ever approved for the U.S. military by Walt Disney.

http://www.56thvfw.com/pages/309th/309main.html

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Ties most interesting and the question was not asked to embarass you.Now a lttle about my self and family ,my family name is Wymann and it comes from the Swiss side of the family .My grandfather was from Bern and he was a pork butcher moved to England in 1919 his first name was ADOLPH and spoke swiss deutch as his main language .My father was born in 1922 and in 1939 enlisted as a bootneck the war had not started but he did not want to be in the army.He was on the following ships Suffolk, Phoebe, and Formidable .The Suffolk was one of the ships that chased down the Bismark ,my father was placed in South Africa on shore whilst the ship was being repaired from topedo damage ,the Navy was looking for 2 bootnecks for the pride of the fleet for its crew ,my dad drew straws with the guys but did not get placed on the pride of the navy which was the Hood and she went down someweeks later with all hands direct hit to the magazine.Meanwhile my grand father is living and wandering around London with a German Accent with first name Adolf ,my grandfather had to carry an Identity card all through the war to avoid arrest .1945 my father comes home and waiting for him at home are papers from the swiss goverment for him to do his national service .My father at this point denounced his Swiss passport so he would not have to do the national service .He said he ws tired after the war and had no intrest riding round on a bicycle protecting Switzerland ,at the war end my father was near deaf .The reason the bootnecks as a tradition always man the table A gun on a Royal Navy ship ,14" no ear defense and flashback gear made out of asbestos.I remember asking my father many questions about the war he was one that was willing to talk about it some of the stories we very funny and some were aweful ,I will relate these another day .Another question I asked him when I was a kid did you ever see any Germans and he replied about five and they were ones they picked up out of the water .Then there is me born in London August 56 at sixteen I joined the Hawker Siddeley company Kingston on Thames the year 1975 and on the floor were Hawker Harriers like you I also liked flying ,met at college a guy who told me about a guy in Battersea who has a shop full of US jackets flying type that was Ken Calder soon to be owner of Aero Leather company as as they say the rest is history .

Thanks Ties '

Allt he best Jeff .

 

[CHECK6]

HI,I like the way we are all involved in aviation ,and wich directed in some case our life,i was born in the industrial town of CHARLEROI (BELGIUM) where there is a few big aviation factories(SONACA former FAIREY,SABCA)so since i'm a young boy i saw a lot of military and civilian aircrafts flying over my grand parents house and wasting time in the airfield,secondly my grand grand father was during WW2 a prisonner in a luftwaffe base at St JURGEN LAGER LUBECK,he was building false aircraft ,and he told me that a few weeks before being liberated he saw a german jet fighter being downed by allied fighter(don't remember what country).He gave me a german leather flying helmet for playing on my bicycle and a luftwaffe belt(i still have it)he took back as souvenir.That was i think the beginning of a never ending passion that continue today by being involved in an WW2 airbase museum,collecting related gear,flying gliders and sometimes in modern warbirds in my military career(last one was during my tour in AFGHANISTAN a GERMAN CH53 "NAZGUL" as a workhorse for ops).
once you got the virus it's for life
HAVE A BANDIT DAY!!!!!!!
FAB

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks Ties and Check 6 for a little insight to your lives ,I to wanted to be a pilot but in England when you are at school they give you Medical tests at age 14.This was when the News was dropped to me sorry you are color blind ,so the next best was to get into making planes .

Jeff

 

[CHECK6]

Thanks Ties and Check 6 for a little insight to your lives ,I to wanted to be a pilot but in England when you are at school they give you Medical tests at age 14.This was when the News was dropped to me sorry you are color blind ,so the next best was to get into making planes .

Jeff

WHO KNOWS BETTER A PLANE THAN THE BUILDER,THE PILOT IS ONLY THE END OF THE CHAIN, AND SOMETIMES HE DESTROY IT.THERE IS NO JUSTICE
YOU ARE A DREAM MAKER JEFF
BYE
FAB

 

[handworn]

That's very precisely what it is. I think I've seen references to this kind of down-and-dirty weapon in period sources, but can't think of them right now.

It looks like a 2x4 with a nail driven through it. Something you certainly wouldn't want to get hit with.

 

[SuinBruin]

Well my guess was way off. :lol:

Very cool patch, Ties. I also liked your submarine patch -- I've been collecting a few WWII U.S. submarine badges over the last few months and it's been a fun and educational (not to mention at least a little expensive) experience.

 

[Anonymous]

Well my guess was way off. :lol:

Very cool patch, Ties. I also liked your submarine patch -- I've been collecting a few WWII U.S. submarine badges over the last few months and it's been a fun and educational (not to mention at least a little expensive) experience.

I think you were the one that was right as previously mentioned .We have members confused between the 4x2 with a nail and the tool with a file type handle .The 4x2 is the obvious the other is not so obvious .

Jeff