Buzz ELC 'Salt Water Wash' Deck jacket

[Anonymous]

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[TankBuster]

Thanks for saving me the trouble of buying one. Guess I'll be looking for a nice original as well.

 

[rich]

That's troubling. They're not exactly cheap are they - I have been really pleased with mine, I wonder what's gone wrong here -I've
always assumed that if you were buying BR, excellence came as standard. There's always a bunch of originals here Dave .........

http://www.vintagetrends.com/military/t ... ts&ST=Deck

 

[havocpaul]

That's bad news for sure, do they come already bagged by BR or in ELC bags, I only ask as you mention the smoke smell and I find it hard to think that would have gone unnoticed at Eastman unless it was sealed in Japan. I've only seen an example at Duxford but it wasn't my size so couldn't try it on, the 'sea-water' finish looked quite realistic but then there's never anything to match an original with true, genuine wear I guess.

 

[Anonymous]

Paul,
It came in an Eastman brown paper bag and box so was packaged by them and not directly from BR in Japan.

My blue one is awesome -if a little snug - but I don't believe the Salt Water version is worth the extra dosh. I know it costs more to do etc but it doesn't do anything for the jacket IMVHO.

Be cheaper for me to lose weight !!!! :lol: :lol:

Dave

 

[Peter Graham]

Dave, that's very dissapointing and surprising news. Before you send it back how about posting some pics to show what you mean and I'll post comparisons of an original so we can see where they went wrong.

 

[Anonymous]

That's a very sensible and helpful idea Peter. I'll sort something out before I post it Saturday.
Cheers
Dave

 

[johnwayne]

I recently bought a vintage Levi shirt from a vintage dealer in Scotland (some of you guys may have noticed her site via the odd jacket she sells - she models them in her lingerie!) and when it arrived it stank of smoking so I put that on the feedback and it didn't go down too well at all but believe me it smelt of smoking. I was told its common on vintage stuff which is rubbish (musty maybe) and that no one smokes there. Very disapointing to be expecting something like that and it doesn't meet those expectations (Japanese are reknowned heavy smokers!!) but good grounds alone I think, to return it.

Cheers
Wayne

 

[rich]

I think long term smokers have no idea how strong the smell is, they really just don't notice it. But that's no excuse for ELC to ship a stinky new jacket to Dave. On authentic vintage stuff, I guess you take your chances?

 

[havocpaul]

And they don't just spoil clothing, I have over the years had to pass on buying/selling rare and collectable books because the owner had been a smoker, you can clean any nicotine staining from dustjackets but once the foul smell has been absorbed into the pages there is no way of fully removing it. My ex-wife was a smoker and I didn't allow smoking upstairs and nowhere near my books and jackets, it is true smokers don't know how bad the smell is, until they give up that is!

 

[kevlarg]

When I got my original M-42 jump jacket it had a nicotine brown tinge to it and it reeked. I washed it 4 times in the tub with wool-lite and the first three washes the water looked like sudsy tea. For the first two tobacco shake was coming out of the deep crevases in the pockets. The reek came out though and the jacket does not smell anymore.

I am sure that a large % of original WW2 stuff was smoked in by the original owners or at least spent time in heavily smokey areas.

No excuse on new stuff though.

 

[Anonymous]

When I got my original M-42 jump jacket it had a nicotine brown tinge to it and it reeked. I washed it 4 times in the tub with wool-lite and the first three washes the water looked like sudsy tea. For the first two tobacco shake was coming out of the deep crevases in the pockets. The reek came out though and the jacket does not smell anymore.

I am sure that a large % of original WW2 stuff was smoked in by the original owners or at least spent time in heavily smokey areas.

No excuse on new stuff though.

Yep, I've had the same experiences myself. You were a brave man to wash an original M-42 !!
I reckon 98% of men in the 40's probably smoked.

But whilst I would have been prepared to wash the brand new BR jacket if I'd been really impressed with it, I'm not going to bother with a jacket I don't like of course !!

I washed the BR zippered deck jacket I bought and a lot of colour and some dirt came out of it and it looked the better for it. It also made that cellulose (?) liner a lot quieter too.

DAve

 

[kevlarg]

When I got my original M-42 jump jacket it had a nicotine brown tinge to it and it reeked. I washed it 4 times in the tub with wool-lite and the first three washes the water looked like sudsy tea. For the first two tobacco shake was coming out of the deep crevases in the pockets. The reek came out though and the jacket does not smell anymore.

I am sure that a large % of original WW2 stuff was smoked in by the original owners or at least spent time in heavily smokey areas.

No excuse on new stuff though.

Yep, I've had the same experiences myself. You were a brave man to wash an original M-42 !!
I reckon 98% of men in the 40's probably smoked.

But whilst I would have been prepared to wash the brand new BR jacket if I'd been really impressed with it, I'm not going to bother with a jacket I don't like of course !!

I washed the BR zippered deck jacket I bought and a lot of colour and some dirt came out of it and it looked the better for it. It also made that cellulose (?) liner a lot quieter too.

DAve

If I hadn't washed it I don't think these ladies would have posed for the picture with me...

 

[Vcruiser]

Wow..unless my eyes are deceiving me...that's the lowest I've seen a woman wear her jeans...and still have them on.... :shock:
Van

 

[kevlarg]

Wow..unless my eyes are deceiving me...that's the lowest I've seen a woman wear her jeans...and still have them on.... :shock:
Van

fortunately they were pretty low... :twisted:

 

[Anonymous]

Dave, that's very dissapointing and surprising news. Before you send it back how about posting some pics to show what you mean and I'll post comparisons of an original so we can see where they went wrong.

Well Peter,
Here's some deck jacket porn'. Doesn't quite match the laydeez above though

The alpaca look more authentic on the salt water version but seems to have loads of long human (?) hairs in it whereas my originals looked like the green one but didn't have long hairs.
It just doesn't seem to be made of the superior materials ELC bang on about and certainly isn't worth the extra money. As a bonus the weight's been dropping off me this last 6 weeks and so the blue one fits pretty good now

Dave

 

[deeb7]

Thanks Dave ... it's so helpful to get these reviews of jackets that we're unlikely to ever see in stores.

I also had an original, and liked the idea of this one. Now I can cross it off the list, or at least amend it to unwashed version only.

 

[havocpaul]

I see what you mean about the alpaca, the jacket doesn't look much like the 'salt water' one shown in my BR catalogue which in the photos in the cat. appears much more washed-out. I would have shared your disappointment if I had received one like you show, and with the smell of nicotine it seems to fail on many counts.

 

[Peter Graham]

Dave, I'll post pics of my original tomorrow. I'm too tired (pissed!) to do it tonight.

 

[Peter Graham]

Dave, here's some pics of my very salty original. As you mentioned, the alpaca on yours does look much too long although the colour seems spot on. The faded finish on an original will never be as uniform as on the repro. The Belford cord fades like a pair of jeans. In fact the colour of the jacket looks wrong, more OD 3 than the near OD 7 of an original, but maybe that's my monitor. Also the buttons fade to the colour of the jacket. The ones on the repro are shiny and bright. As discussed on another thread, the USN decal on the saltwater jacket has the wrong font. I probably would have sent it back too.