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Whats this chap wearing?
- Thread starter JDAM
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FlyingYankee
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Don't know but that's a great photo with the Warhawk in the background and Flying Tigers patch.
Silver Surfer
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if it has a collar stand, and by the fact he is standing on front of a p-40 with the same flying tiger that is on his jac, i would guess a first contract dubow [pointed pocket flaps wide wind flap], or a first contract rough wear, as both were pre war contracts.
a2jacketpatches
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If it helps, the patch is CATF (China Air Task Force) as of July 4th 1942 at midnight, the flying Tigers were disbanded. And the P-40 is E model I believe with the air scoop up on top of the nose.
Steve27752
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I would say it is a Rough Wear.
a2jacketpatches
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Not actually in hand,but eyeballed it for a while at the Lowell, MA military show. Ron from Flying Tiger Antiques had one. Not much to see in the photo but it looks to be a typical embroidered on dark brown felt and this one appears to be just tacked on for the photo or something because I can't see the edges lifting the way they do on a flexible patch. Here's the best example of one I could find and I may be off because I'm doing this on my way out the door to the swap meet. I believe this is the only patch the CATF used and most leather painted versions to be repops.
Yeah, looks pretty dead on to the photo.
Yeah, looks pretty dead on to the photo.
I wonder... they always looked painted or multi-piece leather to me. I know of two people who claim to have CATF patched A-2, though they would never show. I seem to remember having a candid chat with Ron and he said he had never seen one on a jacket in the flesh. Makes me wonder whether they might even be embroidered on silk (as in the scarfs) with a leather border. Dunno.
a2jacketpatches
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Very possible with the sheen a couple of them have that they are painted otherwise you may see a shadow from multi-pieces of leather. Very close in design to the felt version I'm referring to so could be copied from it, I do see minor differences.
Marv
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Roughwear said:
I would tend to agree with Andrew on an early Rough wear, small square x-box stitching on the epaulet and the triangular reforced stitching on the left waistband knit next to the zipper box.....though the pocket flaps do look a little pointy and look very Star contract in appearance.
a2jacketpatches
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Here's what appears to be the same patch.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-ORIGINAL-WW ... 1303512965
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-ORIGINAL-WW ... 1303512965
a2jacketpatches
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Huh? The link is the same patch as earlier in this thread
Oh right, sorry got confused with another auction. Yes, seems exactly the same as the embroidered one shown in your post. I am pretty sure those embroidered type are at best very late war or more likely post war. Some say they were knocked up as movie props for 'God is my co-pilot' (see screen cap below). Whatever the case, they are not the same as the patches on the various A-2 in the photos - the one shown in the below photo is clearly stitched to the jacket. A side by side comparison reveals numerous differences... mouth shape, number of teeth, whiskers, shape and placement of arm, claws, size of hat, proportions on stripes on body and legs, proportions of ... well, just about everything. Completely different to the real thing as shown in the photos.
