Watches to wear with your flight jackets...

bazelot

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@Pilot, you seem to be mainly concerned about the retail value of the watch. My point was mainly for the overall reliability and built quality of the watches themselves. Rolex artificially creates a wait time for their watches because they know thta people with money will wait and pay extra to get their "Status symbol" (this is actually one of the things that turns me off Rolex's). I want my watches to be both practical and reliable. I dive, i use them for heavy mountain biking, my watches have scratches from use. I tried so many brands before and all of them crapped out at one point and there was also an issue with something. ALL my Omegas have been as reliable and accurate as i can possibly ask for. There is a reason they were picked by NASA for the space program, they had a set of stringent durability and quality requirements that only Omega met. I know a few people that own Rolex's and they pretty much all complain about the bracelet quality and the overall accuracy of their watch. I am sorry but for me this is a deal breaker. Do you have any idea how stress there is on internal movements and bracelet pins when you go downhill on a mountain bike? A LOT. I handled a few Rolex's and the first thing that shocked me was how flimsy the bracelets feel in comparison to my Omegas. An Omega bracelet feels like it is one solid piece of metal, the Rolex ones actually feel more like my Seiko's from the 80s.
Saint-Ex brought up a good point about servicing, Omega sends back everything that they replace. Losing a minute everyday after a $1000 service is not for me.
To sum it up if you want a piece of jewelery as an investment go Rolex i guess but if you want a reliable and tough instrument that you are actually going to use then go Omega. I could not care less about the artificial scarcity of the Rolex created by a manufacturer who wants to warrant their exorbitant prices. Omega may be more mass produced but there is a reason why they are used by Cousteau and his team and the space program, they are better built and more reliable (and they are also beautiful watches) and that's what I am going for.
 

Pilot

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Thx for your comment:
1) I am not only concerned by retail values but also .
2) I still have Rolex metal bracelets and the same from Omega ...
No way Omega is stronger ... if comparing a DeepSea bracelet and a Planet Ocean metal bracelet.It has a very tight and sturdy lock and does not „dangle-wiggle“ as my Omega one.
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3) I am not doing mountain biking, apologies for that, but had my Sea Dweller with me in my last Afghanistan tour ( maybe it helps to compare when firing a FAMAS in heat, dirt, and fine sand... etc).
4) NASA selected the Speedy ( I love mine).. Rolex did not have a Chrono at that time.
Anyway, I am happy with both but Rolex is still the best if compared ( by experience) and was also prefered by Cousteau... ( after his Doxa) he used both plus Blancpain, plus Doxa, plus Eterna... and others.
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33-1729

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Apologies if I cannot agree. I had only best experiences with the Rolex factory service. Sent them all via a Basel (Switzerland) based Rolex couriering service to Geneva...Picked the watch up in the same Rolex service.
Got all changed parts back plus a two years factory warranty on all work done.
Invoicing from 600 to 800 CHF, depending on the Model. Yes they change parts without asking...why asking anyway? they are the experts not the wearer...they offer and are reliable for a 2 years warranty.
I believe, if sent only within France or any other country ( to Rolex dealer ) it might be different. Back to factory only ( no outlet, no dealer) as above mentioned.
May I express severe doubts and with all due respect, that your actual watch maker if not a Rolex authorized dealer or service center uses original Rolex parts for your Submariner? for me, this makes it loosing value...rebuild with after market parts....
Plus it may even get worse and damaging other parts...I am no fan of such things sorry..not for my watches nor my cars nor any others..
I have an issued ( not to me) Comex 16600 and as far as I can see it only gains in value if unmessed and with all paperwork, service records, box etc...As for all...many rebuilt “ Comex’es “ on the market...Here we discuss the real thing...not the “ retrofitted “ ones.
No Omega at all, will ever be at this level, unless from (with provenance) an Astronaut or Capt. Cousteau’s or his team...(BTW, the later favored Rolex vs. all others).
My experience has been the same as Pilot’s. I’ve used quite a few Sea-Dweller and Submariners as tool watches and found that watch repair shops, including authorized Rolex dealers, will always try to use their watch repair site rather than sending back to an actual Rolex-owned site (London, New York, Geneva, etc.). Took me a while to figure this out, but the dealer workmanship varied widely (not good for a tool watch), but the watches sent to the actual Rolex-owned repair sites were always finished to a very high standard (2yr warranty and as new condition). If someone is losing a minute a day after a “repair” they are being ripped off by whomever is servicing the watch (-2/+5 seconds is the old Rolex standard and +/-2sec is the new one).

Another item I found out is that when it is sent to the actual Rolex site the cost is the same everywhere, so go to Tiffany & Co. and be done with it. (Even they’ll want to use their people, but ask it to be sent to an actual Rolex site and they will.)

Here are some repair boxes I have (I use them to store other watches). The way to look at the picture is to have a Rolex a few years, send in for Rolex service, repeat. So this is at least a couple decades of repair boxes (and I check the receipts for the location where the work was done on pickup).

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bazelot

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@Pilot, I didn't wear any watches when i was using the Famas so I can't compare. I could still probably dissemble and reassemble that thing in record time though. Loved that gun. Which unit were you in? I was in the 13th RDP
 

B-Man2

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Personally I own a Rolex and an Omega. I have sent my Rolex in for servicing, not a repair but the recommended servicing and the cost was ridiculous at $900. That’s a complete Rip off as far as I’m concerned because Rolex raises their fees about 20 percent every 3 years for the same services . My Omega which I’ve owned for 10 years has never been serviced . With the cost of 3 Rolex services I can buy a new Omega.
 
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zoomer

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I don't own this watch. Just post to share this beautiful Rodium plated C.18.72 based movt "Rare Longines Avigation U.S. Hack wristwatch"
You really get a sense of the pocket-watch size and feel in this photo. Supposedly some airmen carried the A-7 in a pocket, but the lugs were not removable, and there was no bow to attach a chain.
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busdrivermike

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This week we are going with one of my favorites, the orient star airplane
A fantastic watch made by orient watches, well made solid running automatic
Aviation inspired sub dials, the design is styled to look the nose of an engine cowl
Rivet style markings on the display case back.
‘I’ve had this beauty for about 6 years maybe more
43mm diameter with out crown, 14mm thick
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petermack09

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So much for enjoying my Hamilton field khaki,,it has been making a clicking noise on winding since I got it 8 months ago and has now just went twang,,crown now just spins,,waiting on the jewellery shops opening so can get it looked at,had kept fantastic time up to blowing up though :-(
 

Micawber

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So much for enjoying my Hamilton field khaki,,it has been making a clicking noise on winding since I got it 8 months ago and has now just went twang,,crown now just spins,,waiting on the jewellery shops opening so can get it looked at,had kept fantastic time up to blowing up though :-(
Mainspring gone west.... ?
 

kirova

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all these talk of Rolxes and Omegas made me feel I have failed at life lol

here's something more budget friendly :)

Traser P6500 navigator watch, the "civilian version" of the supposedly military issued SandY P650 (which does not have the date window)

my main go to watch for the last 10 years, cheap (got it like around $50 on ebay brand new), light weight, 10mm thick, no blings, just a simple straight forward watch (and most importantly, doesn't look ridiculously oversized on my tiny wrist :)).

The tritium illumination was only supposed to last for around 10 years, but it is still going strong, I got the watch at probably 06 or 07, back of the watch says it was manufactured at 2004.

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Micawber

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all these talk of Rolxes and Omegas made me feel I have failed at life lol

here's something more budget friendly :)

Traser P6500 navigator watch, the "civilian version" of the supposedly military issued SandY P650 (which does not have the date window)

my main go to watch for the last 10 years, cheap (got it like around $50 on ebay brand new), light weight, 10mm thick, no blings, just a simple straight forward watch (and most importantly, doesn't look ridiculously oversized on my tiny wrist :)).

The tritium illumination was only supposed to last for around 10 years, but it is still going strong, I got the watch at probably 06 or 07, back of the watch says it was manufactured at 2004.

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If it keeps time accurate enough for your needs and you like it, that is the only thing that counts :)
 

33-1729

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all these talk of Rolxes and Omegas made me feel I have failed at life lol

here's something more budget friendly :)

Traser P6500 navigator watch, the "civilian version" of the supposedly military issued SandY P650 (which does not have the date window)

my main go to watch for the last 10 years, cheap (got it like around $50 on ebay brand new), light weight, 10mm thick, no blings, just a simple straight forward watch (and most importantly, doesn't look ridiculously oversized on my tiny wrist :)).

The tritium illumination was only supposed to last for around 10 years, but it is still going strong, I got the watch at probably 06 or 07, back of the watch says it was manufactured at 2004.

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I like the Rolex Sea-Dweller a lot, but my current tool watch is a Divex.

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Officer Dibley

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Posted before i know but .... Had my GMT I from new 38 years ago.
Been all over the world with me.
I’m not here to get pissy and slag other makes off. It’s like cars, individual choice but they all meet the same work specification.
Whatever you have, enjoy it and leave others to enjoy theirs. Why do otherwise ?

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