Using what I've learned from this forum

[deand]

I believe I can identify the model of this MA-1 from what I've learned here in the VLJ. Before I offer my meager tidbit of learning, is there more that can be known about it? BTW I love the style cap he's wearing. I ran across these LIFE photos a while ago, and I see others have reproduced them here, and their comments on them have been enjoyable.

dean

 

[watchmanjimg]

Dean:

Assuming it is in fact an MA-1 (which is entirely possible), I believe you can ID it from these pictures.

Well . . . ?

 

[Weasel_Loader]

Dean,

Don't forget to look at color/shade of mic tab too.

 

[deand]

Dean,

Don't forget to look at color/shade of mic tab too.

Right..now I'm hesitating. :?
It might not even be an MA-1? L-2B?





dean

 

[deeb7]

It might not even be an MA-1? L-2B?

Not an L-2B as it has a wind flap ... Danny gave you a good clue.

 

[deand]

It might not even be an MA-1? L-2B?

Not an L-2B as it has a wind flap ... Danny gave you a good clue.

No eps, either.
But of course, these were taken years before the Sattelite contract "H" model.





dean

 

[deand]

GOT IT! B-15D!! No. Yes! I still think it's an 8279.








dean

 

[Weasel_Loader]

Now your getting close.

There are two possibilities on this jacket. One of which you mentioned as a B-15D. Just a slight "modification" to that nomenclature and you have one of the possibilities.

The other is the only contract this manufacture had for an MA-1.

 

[deand]

Now your getting close.

There are two possibilities on this jacket. One of which you mentioned as a B-15D. Just a slight "modification" to that nomenclature and you have one of the possibilities.

The other is the only contract this manufacture had for an MA-1.

(Several possible Manufacturers)B-15 Mod, or a Dobbs MIL-1958D
Final Answer.




dean

 

[greyhound52]

No at Dobbs look at the wind flap. So it would have to be the first MA-1 or a B-15D mod. Also a date on the Life mag would help.

 

[deand]

No at Dobbs look at the wind flap. So it would have to be the first MA-1 or a B-15D mod. Also a date on the Life mag would help.

Life mag circa 1960. Honestly, I don't know the possble manufacturers. The learning goes on. Found this online from a Japanese site:




MA-1
MIL-J-8279B
QM(CTM)2087-OI-1165-E-58
（1958）
DOBBS INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279C
DA-36-243-QM(CTM)8922-C-61
（1961）
SKYLINE CLOTHING CORPORATION



MA-1
MIL-J-8279C
DSA-1-3075-64-C
（1963?）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA-1-3607-64-C
23 DECEMBER 1963
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA-1-6604
21 SEPTEMBER 1964
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA-1-8667
5 MAR 1965
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA-100-1579
1 NOV 1965
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA 100-3881
28 APRIL 1966
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA 100-67-C-1472
2 NOV 1966
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA 100-67-C-4521
26 MAY 1967
SATELLITE OUTERWEAR CORP.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA 100-69-C-0113
19 JULY 1968
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279D
DSA 100-69-C-2767
18 JUNE 1969
SPORTSMASTERS, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DSA 100-71-C-0706
16 DEC 1970
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DSA 100-71-C-0933
20 JAN 1971
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DSA 100-72-C-1300
24 MARCH 1972
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DSA 100-73-C-0098
18 JULY 1972
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DSA 100-74-C-0106
3 AUG 1973
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DSA 100-76-C-1712
JULY 22, 1976
GREENBRIER INDUSTRIES, INC.



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DLA 100-78-C-0745
22 MARCH 1978
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
DLA 100-78-C-0745
22 MARCH 1978
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279E
9051-79
(1979)
DPSC



MA-1
MIL-J-82790F
DLA 100-80-C-3339
14 JULY 1980
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279F
（ラベル欠損の為不明　推定83～84年契約分）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



MA-1
MIL-J-8279F
DLA 100-86-C-0592
26 JUNE 1986
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC






L-2B
MIL-J-7448E
DSA- 1-1340-63-C
12 SEPT 1962
LW FOSTER SPORTSWEAR CO.,INC.



L-2B
MIL-J-7448F
DSA-1-4982
（1964～1965）
SKYLINE CLOTHING CORPORATION



L-2B
MIL-J-7448H
DSA-100-67-C-3499
（1967）
SATELLITE OUTERWEAR CORP.



L-2B
MIL-J-7448H
DSA 100-68-C-0158
（1968）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



L-2B
MIL-J-7448H
DSA-100-68-C-1678
（1968）
SKYLINE CLOTHING CORPORATION



L-2B
MIL-J-7448H
DSA 100-69-C-0176
26 JULY 1968
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



L-2B
MIL-J-7448Ｊ
DSA 100-75-C-0432
4 OCT 1974
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



L-2B
MIL-J-7448K
SPO 100-94-C-1992
（1994？）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC






CVC
MIL-J-43923
DSA 100-74-C-1783
（1974）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC



CVC
MIL-J-43923
DSA 100-76-C-0477
（1976）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC


CVC
MIL-J-43924
DSA 100-76-C-0480
（1976）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC


CVC
MIL-J-43924E
DLA 100-91-C-0310
（1991）
ISRATEX, INC






CWU
MIL-J-83388E
DLA 100-93-C-0399
（1993）
ISRATEX, INC






M-51
－
QM (CTM) 10415-C-61
（1961）
unclear



M-51
－
DSA- 1-2157-63-C
（1963）
unclear



M-65
MIL-C-43455?
DSA 100-68-C-0968
（1968）
BONHAM MANUFACTURING CO., INC.



M-65
MIL-C-43455?
DSA 100-70-C-0645
（1970）
ALLEN OVERALL CO., INC.


M-65
MIL-C-43455?
DSA 100-74-C-0130
（1974）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC


M-65
MIL-C-43455?
DLA 100-82-C-0575
（1982）
ALPHA INDUSTRIES, INC











dean

 

[deeb7]

Lion Uniform is the first MA-1, with the pesky squared off wind flap.

Ah okay, circa 1960 ... ya didn't hot link, and I couldn't find them with a search.

 

[deand]

Lion Uniform is the first MA-1, with the pesky squared off wind flap.

Ah okay, circa 1960 ... ya didn't hot link, and I couldn't find them with a search.

Pesky?
http://www.life.com/search/?type=images&q0=bomber+crew&page=3




dean

 

[deeb7]

Pesky?

Yes ... it gets in the way, after the 8279 it was rounded off, or with the Rolen 8279A, 'R' shaped.

Thanks for the link.

 

[deand]

I'm going to settle on a Lion 1957 MA-1...due to the dark knits. I think it's less likely a B-15D MOD. Going with my gut feeling. I could be wrong, I know.

I see what you mean by "pesky", to say nothing of needing a haircut:

dean

 

[Weasel_Loader]

Dean,

It's either a Lion MA-1 or B-15D Mod. I don't know if anyone could identify the difference between the two without looking inside. I could be wrong though. Anyone else?

 

[Willy McCoy]

I believe I can identify the model of this MA-1 from what I've learned here in the VLJ. Before I offer my meager tidbit of learning, is there more that can be known about it? BTW I love the style cap he's wearing. I ran across these LIFE photos a while ago, and I see others have reproduced them here, and their comments on them have been enjoyable.

dean

It looks like Maj. Carl A. Farmer hung onto his B-15 D (MOD). At first I was thinking it was a first series MA-1. The squared off wind flap was the norm for that series. But then I noticed the reverse zig-zagging on the wind flap. Also notice he has the plastic encased rank insignia that is a second or third choice favored here. The jacket is less than pristine and it may smell of cigarettes too. Truly a beautiful jacket just the same. He's probably a pilot of either a tanker or B-52 out of Walker AFB New Mexico. He looks very stressed out like his performance is being judged in a competition. There is also a scoring card on his lanyard. He was buried at Arlington in March of '66.

 

[deand]

Thank you, Willy, well answered. Here's another shot of Major Farmer. The LIFE mag site says it was taken on May 1st, 1961 at Walker AFB. Looks like SAC was pretty hard on its personnel, or the Cold War was. Here's the link to more LIFE shots in this particular series:
http://images.google.com/hosted/lif...rmer&hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS308US308&sa=N&um=1

dean

 

[Weasel_Loader]

Didn't the Lion MA-1 have a zig-zag pattern stitch also on the wind flap? I no longer have my Lion, so I cannot verify. I do believe both had the same Crown zips too.

Yes, SAC destroyed a lot of careers back in the day. For a good look into the way SAC was back then, you need to see the movie "Gathering Of Eagles". THE most realistic movie about how SAC was in the day.

 

[watchmanjimg]

I'm leaning toward the Lion MA-1 but it could very well be a B-15D Modified. The Crown peg-tooth zipper was used on both. There's something about the oxygen mask tab that suggests MA-1 to me. All 3 of the D Mods I've owned have tabs made of a flimsier nylon that appeared almost to have been added as an afterthought, while the early MA-1s use a heavier webbing that is stitched securely to the jacket as on this example. In my opinion the rank insignia is of no use to our analysis because it's a function of what was being worn at the time the photo was taken, not of the jacket's vintage.