Recommend me a leather jacket

MrBlue

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I've been thinking about this a lot more, looking at photos of people in their various A2s, and reading up about this stuff, and I think buying a super dark A2 would be a mistake.

The reason is, I think its violating the rules of what is smart and what is casual.

So, black is ordinarily a formal colour. Colours close to black are more formal, lighter colours are less formal. The shirt collar of an A2 makes it on the more formal side, which would make sense given its military origin and the decade in which it was designed (1931). What I mean is that, an A2 is by no means formal, but it is more formal than an MA1

So if I go for a very dark A2, its a formal colour on a "formal" garment. It limits your options. This is why I think subconsciously, it never looked right to me.

I wanted a black or very dark one because I suppose everyone wants a black leather jacket in their collection of clothing. And I can't wear a Perfecto (although I could get away with a cafe racer). But I've realised, if I want a black or very dark jacket, to get something other than an A2. If I want an A2, russet or seal.

I think I will still get an A2, and leave a black leather jacket for another day. Haven't quite decided on seal vs russet but to be honest I'm now leaning towards russet. Will think about it a bit more and look at photos.
 

mulceber

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In terms of accuracy, for what it's worth, I'll say that russet would open up your options, as more original A-2 jackets were in the russet color range than the seal. I also just think russet is a gorgeous color, so I'm biased.

Also, if you're interested in a black leather jacket, you might scroll down to the civilian section of BK's listings: the Buco J-23, the Wild Boy, and the Duke would all look awesome in Dark Seal or Black Teacore. Not to mention the Durable One Star, if you're digging the Marlon Brando Wild One look.
 
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MrBlue

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Order placed.

So, after some discussion with Andy, I learned a few things.

First, there is no great escape leather. I mean, there is no unique dye applied to the great escape jacket - it is just liberty dark seal which you can get on any other jacket.

Second, liberty dark seal is changing.
Correct, there is only one Liberty horsehide dark seal. Also FYI, the new dark seal leathers we expect to receive are not too dark -almost like black- like those we used before but only slightly darker than the seal. The new dark seal we ordered is a very sweet color, we hope the tannery will get it right.
Have asked for a picture. Will let you guys know. I don't know if he has any remaining stock of the liberty dark seal - will see what he says.

The jacket I ordered is a civilian ANJ-3 with the Roughwear 27752 collar, storm flap, zip and front pockets, in liberty dark seal with medium brown thread, USN wool bomber brown knits (ie their darkest) and mustard brown lining.

Pretty excited! Oh its a size 44. My chest measurement is 103cm - he said I should choose a size 44 and we'll finalise the sizing later.

Chest measurement 103cm, shoulder measurement 124cm, waist measurement 101cm.
 

Smithy

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The wait always seems to be part wonderful anticipation mixed with an equal part of anxiety of whether you ordered the right size/colour/ options.

I'm quite sure there's an element of the gambler's excitement when we order these sorts of things - that might be part of the reason why some people get hooked on this, they're constantly hunting the ultimate jackpot.

Nice one Mr Blue, like Burt said, interested to see pics when you get it.
 

MrBlue

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The wait always seems to be part wonderful anticipation mixed with an equal part of anxiety of whether you ordered the right size/colour/ options.

I'm quite sure there's an element of the gambler's excitement when we order these sorts of things - that might be part of the reason why some people get hooked on this, they're constantly hunting the ultimate jackpot.

Nice one Mr Blue, like Burt said, interested to see pics when you get it.
Yes, exactly that!

I changed my mind again back to darker colours after looking at a lot more photos. The reality is I probably have a 4-5 month wait ahead of me! With things being the way they are with corona virus.
 

mulceber

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Congrats on the purchase - it's been a while since we saw one of BK's Civy ANJ-4 (or any BK Civy jackets, for that matter), so I'll look forward to pictures!
 

MrBlue

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Thanks! This will also be new leather, since the dark seal colour has apparently changed. As soon as I get it, I'll post pictures, but I have a feeling that will only be September at the earliest.
 

mulceber

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If you made the purchase in June...yeah, probably September. That’s about what the wait time was at before COVID. Hard to say what it is now. Probably longer, but possibly shorter: toward the start of the pandemic, Andy told me production hadn’t really been affected, only shipping. Since then, they’ve had several weeks of quarantine, which undoubtedly slowed them down, but the unknown commodity is how many orders they received during the pandemic. If they received substantially fewer orders than normal, they might actually shoot through their backlog pretty quickly.

If you can’t tell, I have something of a personal interest in this question myself. ;)
 
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MrBlue

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Can someone advise me on fit for an ANJ-3?

Can I rely on Andy's advice? Or will he just say that I need to decide and let him know?

My measurements are in the post above. Converted to inches my chest is 40.5 inches.
 

mulceber

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I don't know off hand how an ANJ-3 fits, but Andy is very good at fitting jackets from measurements. He won't just say "make your decision and let me know." He'll probably ask for a bunch of measurements from you and then will tell you “choose x for a more fitted look and y for a more relaxed fit.”
 

MrBlue

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Can someone give me an idea of what to expect in terms of process from now on?

I placed the order via the website last week, following Andy's instructions. I guess he will contact me to finalise the measurements before production begins?

I suppose I could be waiting a few weeks?
 

mulceber

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My experience with BK (3 times through): after you order, you won't hear from them until shortly before they start production. This will likely be 2-3 months. Occasionally if you ask, they might give you an update, but I find it's best not to bother them. After you nail down the sizing, it will likely be a few weeks before production of the jacket is finished and shipped. If you are located in Europe, you can expect shipping to take a week or less. If you're in the US, it varies wildly, depending on how quickly customs wants to process your order. Anywhere from 2-3 weeks to 2 months from them shipping it to you getting it.
 
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