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Original 37J1 colors?

zoomer

zoomer

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Photos exist of original Bedford cord 37J1s:
- in OD green, with matching knits
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- in various shades of greenish-yellowish-tan, with OD knits
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- in deeper tan, with medium brown knits
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In addition, there's a 1pc flight suit, style 37S3, with obvious mismatched dye lots.
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The Bedford cord presumably faded thru washing and sun, and became dingy with wear.
So...which shades were original, and which are the result of their long service lives?
Were the brown knits refits, or were they originals as well? Did they fade from green?
 
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zoomer

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Here's a Sigmund Eisner 37J1A, the same make as the OD example above, in a deep tan (just faded/dingy?) with brown cuffs, OD collar and waist.
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ausreenactor

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Can't touch it or nobody will assist anybody in need. At least in Australia....

The right to keep em breathing... perhaps?
 
ausreenactor

ausreenactor

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Same in the USA. Good Samaritan Laws.


State and local governments have an interest in protecting bystanders who give first aid —because an environment where these bystanders are likely to face charges can have a chilling effect on anyone stepping in to help in a true emergency.
However, it’s also important to protect victims from untrained bystanders who behave in reckless ways to deliver care that they aren’t trained to provide, or who make serious mistakes in judgment that result in further injury to the victim.

Many countries, including Canada and the United States, have Good Samaritan laws that serve the purpose of protecting bystanders—and defining what is and isn’t appropriate help. These laws vary by state and country, but here’s a look at the general guidelines:

Usually, no one is required to give aid. In most states, unless there is already a caretaker relationship in place (such as doctor / patient or parent / child), no one is required to give aid.

In some areas, such as in Quebec and the US states of Vermont and Minnesota, bystanders are legally required to help as they are capable, as long as it doesn’t involve putting themselves in danger.

There are some exceptions to this: those with a caretaker relationship (as mentioned above); and, in some cases, businesses are required to have someone on staff who can provide first aid to patrons on their premises.

People cannot receive payment for emergency help. To qualify for protection under Good Samaritan laws, rescuers cannot receive payment or reward for the first aid they deliver. Medical professionals are usually not covered by Good Samaritan laws, unless they are acting on a volunteer basis.

The rescuer can’t leave. Once they begin giving aid, the provider can’t leave the victim except under the following circumstances:

  • They have to in order to call for medical assistance.
  • Someone equally or more qualified is available to take over.
  • The situation has become unsafe.
Usually, good faith and common sense will protect you. Bystander first aid providers are not to be held legally responsible for the death, disability, or disfigurement of the patient as long as they acted rationally, in good faith, and at their level of training.

If you act above your level of training—by trying to perform an impromptu tracheotomy on a choking victim if you are not a trained surgeon, for instance—you may be held liable for resulting damages.

Similarly, courts will have to decide whether you acted rationally in a situation where a victim was further injured. Usually, that involves applying the “average, reasonable person” test: essentially, would an average, reasonable person with your level of training behave as you did in that situation?

Bystanders who acted recklessly may not be covered under Good Samaritan laws. For instance, suppose a rescuer pulls a victim out of the wreckage of a car crash without waiting for emergency medical personnel to arrive. There is no impending peril—nothing is on fire—but the rescuer acts anyway.

However, the victim has a spinal injury. The rescuer doesn’t take proper precautions to stabilize the victim’s neck beforehand, and the victim is paralyzed. In cases like this—when the bystander did not wait for emergency help and the paralysis was clearly caused by the rescuer and not the accident—the bystander might be held liable for damages.
 
B-Man2

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ausreenactor said:
Same in the USA. Good Samaritan Laws.


State and local governments have an interest in protecting bystanders who give first aid —because an environment where these bystanders are likely to face charges can have a chilling effect on anyone stepping in to help in a true emergency.
However, it’s also important to protect victims from untrained bystanders who behave in reckless ways to deliver care that they aren’t trained to provide, or who make serious mistakes in judgment that result in further injury to the victim.

Many countries, including Canada and the United States, have Good Samaritan laws that serve the purpose of protecting bystanders—and defining what is and isn’t appropriate help. These laws vary by state and country, but here’s a look at the general guidelines:

Usually, no one is required to give aid. In most states, unless there is already a caretaker relationship in place (such as doctor / patient or parent / child), no one is required to give aid.

In some areas, such as in Quebec and the US states of Vermont and Minnesota, bystanders are legally required to help as they are capable, as long as it doesn’t involve putting themselves in danger.

There are some exceptions to this: those with a caretaker relationship (as mentioned above); and, in some cases, businesses are required to have someone on staff who can provide first aid to patrons on their premises.

People cannot receive payment for emergency help. To qualify for protection under Good Samaritan laws, rescuers cannot receive payment or reward for the first aid they deliver. Medical professionals are usually not covered by Good Samaritan laws, unless they are acting on a volunteer basis.

The rescuer can’t leave. Once they begin giving aid, the provider can’t leave the victim except under the following circumstances:

  • They have to in order to call for medical assistance.
  • Someone equally or more qualified is available to take over.
  • The situation has become unsafe.
Usually, good faith and common sense will protect you. Bystander first aid providers are not to be held legally responsible for the death, disability, or disfigurement of the patient as long as they acted rationally, in good faith, and at their level of training.

If you act above your level of training—by trying to perform an impromptu tracheotomy on a choking victim if you are not a trained surgeon, for instance—you may be held liable for resulting damages.

Similarly, courts will have to decide whether you acted rationally in a situation where a victim was further injured. Usually, that involves applying the “average, reasonable person” test: essentially, would an average, reasonable person with your level of training behave as you did in that situation?

Bystanders who acted recklessly may not be covered under Good Samaritan laws. For instance, suppose a rescuer pulls a victim out of the wreckage of a car crash without waiting for emergency medical personnel to arrive. There is no impending peril—nothing is on fire—but the rescuer acts anyway.

However, the victim has a spinal injury. The rescuer doesn’t take proper precautions to stabilize the victim’s neck beforehand, and the victim is paralyzed. In cases like this—when the bystander did not wait for emergency help and the paralysis was clearly caused by the rescuer and not the accident—the bystander might be held liable for damages.
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I see what they’re saying and that’s a good law . I also see a gray area or two where you could leave yourself open to being sued . But I’m probably like you in that I’d rather try to safe a life and deal with any consequences after the fact, than sit by and do nothing.
 
zoomer

zoomer

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Thanks for some real education gents. Kind of puts the whole jacket fandom into place, doesn't it?

And at last I am taking in my Cockpit 37J for mods (the reason for the color query to begin with!)
The knit I chose is sage green from workware_hk at eBay.
The liner is 5.5oz muslin, to replicate the original spec airplane cloth. Color is "parchment."
Label and size tab came from Headwind.com.
It will also have a Talon nickel bell-pull zipper, reaching part way up the collar.

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zoomer

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Once again the Curse of 37J1 has struck!!!

My neighborhood tailor shop - normally very reasonable - says it would be no more work scratchbuilding a 37J than replacing knits, liner and zipper. And they'd want $700+ either way!

Admittedly the boss lady is badly overscheduled, and has a custom maker working for her, to whom she tries to throw all the business she reasonably can. So maybe this is a special circumstance. I can't believe 3 fairly common jobs would multiply that much in price if done at once!

At this point I may bite the bullet and start the long, thankless path to learning clothing construction for myself. I certainly have been thinking about it in great detail.
 
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