New Eastman painted + Dubow

[Otter]

Patched and painted jackets are just so personal. What is one man's meat is another man's poison. A few years back I bought an Aces Aro jacket with the Burma Bridge Busters patch set on it, got it for £ 100 as nobody else was interested.

 

[ausreenactor]

Looks good. So sad that the shipping and tax costs to germany are so high for ATF Products....

Agree 100%. I buy up big when deployed to an AFPO. This was in Australia with an ELC A-2.

 

[ausreenactor]

Patched and painted jackets are just so personal. What is one man's meat is another man's poison. A few years back I bought an Aces Aro jacket with the Burma Bridge Busters patch set on it, got it for £ 100 as nobody else was interested.

Anything with art stays. They all do really... I get into a wormhole, read up on a Squadron or Group then have to commit. Decals for a kit, the kit, a reference book... Value adding all the way.

 

[VeraVoulik]

I would like to rebound on "the price of art".
I'm a CG artist myself (art director but CG artist first) and I often work with freelance artists. Whether it's digital or traditional painting (like jacket painting), it's pretty similar in approach.

In France, a freelance artist will hardly be able to live with a daily cost of less than 300 - 350 euros. A quality freelance artist with experience will charge more like 400 - 450 euros / day, or more.
An experienced artist who charges 400 euros per day will earn about 2400 euros net per month (after deducting all taxes/charges, only 30-40% of the initial salary is left, without contributions for retirement or vacation) if he works full time, which is very rarely the case.

I have never practiced jacket painting, but I can imagine the production process quite well:
- discussing the project with the client
- making preliminary sketches
- possible modifications of the drawing
- realization of the final painting

This whole process, as I imagine it, takes time that I would estimate at least 3 to 5 days.

If we take the example of an artist who is not too expensive and who asks "only" 300 euros / day, we quickly arrive at a rate of 900 to 1500 euros for the realization of the artwork.
There is undoubtedly a possibility of lowering the costs a little by parallelizing the work... but it is relatively negligible.


Art is expensive, but you have to know that it takes a lot of time.

Totally agree. I use to agree on pricing after seeing the whole process and time I will need. People uses not to understand the time it needs. On a full day, it's also very rare to paint all the time. I use to paint 3/4 hrs a day which is already quite a lot. After this time, you may be too tired to do quality work. Doing a jacket may need 15-20 days long at 3-4hrs a day.

 

[Chandler]

On a full day, it's also very rare to paint all the time.

Back in the early days of computer graphics my team would meet with a client, learn their needs, and give them an estimate of time and cost.

It was funny (at first) how many clients would look at us curiously and ask, "Can't you just Mac it?"

 

[Nickb123]

Anything with art stays. They all do really... I get into a wormhole, read up on a Squadron or Group then have to commit. Decals for a kit, the kit, a reference book... Value adding all the way.

I agree. Better to enjoy than to worry about value (though the latter isn’t wrong). I too find jackets w/insignia to be launching pieces from which to go down the knowledge wormhole.

There were so many fabulous (and quite brilliant, really - have we ever seen such humor and innuendo portayed so succinctly in any other artistic medium since?) WWII squadron or group patches, I think the art brings the hobby a new dimension.