Horsehide VS. goatskin??

Smithy

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It’s a beautiful jacket for sure , and I’m not trying to put a down side to it, but I’d bet that jacket is at least 25 or more years old to have developed that nicely worn look. I like goat jackets and they do look outstanding over time. It’s just that they take a bit longer to get to that stage . So for me, it comes down to being fortunate enough to have one of each , a horse and a goat .... BINGO!!
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I think the problem is that most guys here have multiple jackets Burt and flick them off in short order or don't put the hard wear in to them.

There's no doubt that goat needs to be worn to develop what you see in Mike's jacket above. If you're one of those, have two dozen A-2s kind of guys and wear each one once every two years then you won't get the wear in you need to.

Goat will weather and develop patina, even chrome tanned stuff with the heavy top coating but it takes time and dedicated wear. I have a pre release WPG A-2 (why oh why didn't they make the actual release jacket like this) in chrome tanned goat which I have worn really hard for what probably amounts to 2 years non-stop wear. Now it's starting to do what Mike's jacket has above, in terms of the graining, wear points and top coat wearing through.

It doesn't take 25 years to do this even with hard top coat finished chrome tanning but you do need to wear a goat jacket hard and non-stop for a couple of years real, hard wear and especially if it has a hard top finish. AVI LTHR jackets for example have a top coat which wears very quickly so no drama there.

The idea that you need to wear a goat jacket for several decades to develop wear and patina is just wrong. It will probably take more than a HH jacket especially for one of those with a thick/hard finish but regular and hard wear of any jacket with develop wear to the hide, even goat.
 

mulceber

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Yeah, but, realistically, Smithy, how likely are most of us to put in the kind of wear that you’re talking about. The people who were doing that back in the day had physically strenuous jobs where only a good leather jacket would stand up to the abuse. Most of them also had only one leather jacket at a time. We’re all collectors, and a large portion of us work desk jobs. I don’t see very many of us managing to put a goatskin jacket through its paces, even with the best of intentions to do so.
 

Smithy

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Yeah, but, realistically, Smithy, how likely are most of us to put in the kind of wear that you’re talking about. The people who were doing that back in the day had physically strenuous jobs where only a good leather jacket would stand up to the abuse. Most of them also had only one leather jacket at a time. We’re all collectors, and a large portion of us work desk jobs. I don’t see very many of us managing to put a goatskin jacket through its paces, even with the best of intentions to do so.
I have. It's not difficult though if you really want to do it. Just get a goatskin jacket and wear it virtually every time you need a jacket. And I mean every time and especially if you need to do manual labour, People round here are a bad selection - most guys around here have multiple jackets and also don't wear them hard to do work or don't put hard labour and wear into their jackets. Wearing a jacket hard and to do physical tasks is the best way to make it look like an original.

If you really want a jacket to look good, irrespective of whether it's horse, goat, cow, etc, just wear the absolute shit out of it. Some hides and finishes might take longer to do this than others but they all wear eventually.

It's wear that makes a jacket look great and not anything else.
 

Smithy

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I’ve got a desk job and don’t have a yard, so not really in my realm of possibilities. ;)
There's still lots of other ways you can get wear on a jacket, you don't need to be a coal miner or own a farm to do it. Next time you need to shift furniture wear your A-2 to do it, need to change the oil/a tyre on your car, wear your A-2, wear it to go hiking with a back pack (this one's a good one because the shoulder wear simulates seat/parachute harness wear that originals often display). There's lots of ways to generate wear on a flight jacket. The best thing is to wear it and not be afraid to wear it doing anything physical. Do that and you'll end up with a super comfortable jacket with great patina ;-)
 

mulceber

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This is true, and the point about backpacking is a particularly good tip. I'm generally on board for abusing the jackets. When mine get scratches or scuffs, I tend to just shrug it off.

I guess my overall point is that a lot of the people taking the “just wear the piss out of it” approach talk like all that’s required is a change of attitude. For some of us, that’s true. A lot of us will have to actively seek out opportunities to abuse it.

I also just don’t see the point in getting a seal goatskin jacket from Five Star when your last one was also a seal goatskin jacket from Five Star. A different color or hide makes for a more well-rounded collection.
 
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