Oh wow, it's kind of clear what's been happening now. Dissapointing and sad all round, and I suspect routed in the best of intentions at Headwind but now out of control. And when a very nice guy like b-man2 gets caught out, it's going to spiral. I suggest some private messaging Jay to b-man2 and smithy or this thread I suspect risks going haywire. Just a thought and I only posted as I see this heading one way, and kind of feel that stepping away from the heat of the thread, you didn't mean it to end up like this.