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Goldsmith A-2 Reproduction - Headwind Mfg Co

Persimmon

Well-Known Member
I don’t want to say anything disparaging about a competitor, but this looks a tad closer to the few posted photos of the originals...
Are you saying this is better than the Aero produced limited edition version ?

What reasons can you offer please ?
 

wittmann

Active Member
Thanks so much for the constructive criticism.... honestly. I totally agree with you.
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Test Jacket #1

I had meant to post more photos of the test jacket on the site but there were so many changes we are making to it, I didn't want to post inaccurate photos. I am going to great lengths to make this reproduction as close as possible to the original. At the time, I never thought it would be so long of a wait for the next test jacket.

I have posted more photos of test jacket #1 on the page. I think at this point it is important to get some photos up that at least show the direction we are heading in.

http://www.headwindmfg.com/goldsmith.html

I appreciate the continued support. I am very excited to get this jacket 100% complete. Probably 10x mare excited than anyone here to see the final version.

Regards,
Jay
Hi Jay,
I'm so excited to see the photos of your 100% complete Goldsmith A-2 jacket, may I give you some suggestions? Although I'm not A-2 expert.

1) according to the historical pictures of Hap.Arnold, the knit cuffs look double long as the normal A-2 and they are very similar to knit cuffs of navy M422(A) jackets.

2) if the horizontal distance between both of pockets could be little bit wider, maybe looks more similar to the original in the pictures

3) nobody saw the original label of Goldsmith A-2 jacket, so no one can tell how does it look like exactly, but if we can take the label and size tag of Security Aviation Togs A-2 jacket as reference, maybe you can sew the main label with the size tag together just like SAT did, and important is, main label and size tag have the same height.

4) The original characters on the main label and size tag should be gold like SAT, maybe you can also use gold threads for the label/size tag, current threads look too yellow and current fonts are to bold, they should be thinner.

5) the original windflap of Goldsmith A-2 in the historical pictures looks much narrower than yours.

6) pocket flaps seem O.K, but the pockets look a little bit too long in comparison with the original one in the pictures, maybe the height of pockets can be reduced about 7-8mm

At the moment i have such suggestions, hope it's useful to you.

Anyhow I hope you make a very nice Goldsmith repro.


Best regards
Lee
 

Skyhawk

Well-Known Member
Appreciate the input!

THIS IS NOT THE FINAL TEST JACKET.

This jacket is actually the first test jacket made months ago. Many of the changes you mentioned are already being incorporated into the 2nd test jacket being constructed right now. This jacket should be complete by next week.

Edit: Spec label -
The Gold looks pretty close in person so maybe a photo issue. It certainly falls within the range of gold colors used for A-2 spec labels. The color varied quite a bit from Amber Gold to Yellow Gold across the different A-2 contracts.
I think we came pretty close:
GS-Sat-Label.jpg


The label has been discussed in great length on the button flap A-2 thread:
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/buttoned-pocket-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-12

On post #234 I explain that the label we used actually existed at the time the Goldsmith A-2 was made. Goldsmith put that label in their clothing items. A black and gold version of the label has never been seen in any of their clothing products.

They would have had the black white label on hand when constructing the A-2 jacket. I don't think they would have made a new label for 25 jackets, they would have just used a clothing label they already had. Just like SAT did a year later. They would have received the Spec label from the USAC and added their company label with it to denote the maker. The USAC Allowed SAT to do this a year later so I think they would allow Goldsmith to use their label as well.

With a Government contract you always try to minimize costs and it would have just not been practical to make up a new label for 25 jackets when the government allowed you to use your company label you already had.

So although it may look nice to have all the labels matching, I don't believe that is how it was done in 1930.

Best Regards,
Jay
 
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B-Man2

Well-Known Member
At this point it’s all speculation but I think Jays take on this makes sense. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

Bombing IP

Well-Known Member
I think its unfair to expect Jay to accommodate all input from all members on a jacket that that exists only a a photo with no existing examples to compare to . I think thus far Aero and Headwind have done a remarkable job of producing jackets for advanced A2 aficionado's . I think they have got it as close as can be ,given the information available .
Bravo I say accept the jacket as done and buy them . This business of this needs to be 7mm smaller is BS when one cannot lay a ruler on an original photo angles and lens curvature etc etc .

BIP
 
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Skyhawk

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the support, all of you!

I really don't mind discussion and constructive advice and theories. I value all the opinions from this forum. There is a lot of great knowledge here collectively.

I am doing my absolute best to reconstruct this jacket and to get the details right. I am excited to see the new test jacket completed and to see how it compares to my vision and to the original photos.

All The Best,
Jay
 
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Skyhawk

Well-Known Member
Thanks Ken. Yeah the eps are wrapped around the outside of that seam. I don't think that I remembered that change for this next test jacket. There were a lot of things that needed tweaking. We will change that for the production jackets though. I am hoping for a near perfect test jacket but I know there will still be some small tweaks to get things 100%.
 

Ken at Aero Leather

Well-Known Member
The epaulette is joined between the arm hole and the sleeve, the body/sleeve seam is then top stitched all the way round, then the epaulette is hammered back as tight as possible before the outer edge box stitch is done. Only then is The epaulette joined to the neck hole
 

Ken at Aero Leather

Well-Known Member
Don't get nagged by the stitch counters into keeping the pockets the same distance (in every size) from the front edge as they are in Arnold pics, grade the distance according to size or they'll look awful in small sizes
 

Nickb123

Well-Known Member
I love this stuff. Still so much to learn; but as of recent a few members here (as well as Jay, Ken, etc) have really kept this subject refreshing with all of these new historical discoveries. Super niche, yes, but super cool.
 

Skyhawk

Well-Known Member
Update.... The test 2nd jacket is complete. We have come a long way but there is still some tweaking needed to get it 100% correct.

Please note:
THE POCKET FLAP IS THE WRONG SHAPE.
Due to a misunderstanding, the flap was made too long in the middle at the point. We will be using our original flap design only it will be bigger to match the original.

Our original flap design:
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Here are some photos of Test Jacket #2
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B-Man2

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Update.... The test 2nd jacket is complete. We have come a long way but there is still some tweaking needed to get it 100% correct.

Please note:
THE POCKET FLAP IS THE WRONG SHAPE.
Due to a misunderstanding, the flap was made too long in the middle at the point. We will be using our original flap design only it will be bigger to match the original.

Our original flap design:
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Here are some photos of Test Jacket #2
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Nice
That’s an outstanding jacket for the price.
 
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