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Cheap Chinese jackets at what cost ultimately?

ausreenactor

Well-Known Member
I think I mentioned this many years ago in a similar thread over a decade ago.

I knew China would run the World when I saw that someone in China felt it prudent to remanufacture traverse and elevation (T&E) mechanisms for the. .30 Cal tripod. Which they also make...

Will take a peek around my old posts..
 

ausreenactor

Well-Known Member
Gents..

Don't be so quick to pay off the quality of Chinese stuff. Rollin from At The Front openly admits the fabric and hardware eclipses anything that was available in the US. If he attempted to do the US only thing with his stuff he would have been bankrupt 10 years ago. Check his rants! He derides the 'US only' customers who want the products made domestically, but not if they cost more???? The Chinese are now making super Garand bayonet repros for around $30, M2 tripod and T&E assemblies, all for under US$300!! That saves a reenactor shelling out for a $1500 tripod with data plate. I would not have thought there would be a huge demand for them?

If they wanted to they would be pumping out some good repro labels and would be knocking out every jacket that ELC, BR, RM, AERO and GW make. As long as they have a half decent label and either change the epp, collar or pocket design to something that resembles a pic in a half decent reference, they are on a winner. And they would be cheaper. But nowhere near as good. Only the diehards and the border protectionists would be shelling out for the superior product. But a lot more people would own more jackets if they got the details right. And then we pay the postage to get it here. The cost of getting it to the Point of Departure in China is a whole lot less than what it costs to get it from your Airport to your door. And your domestic postal service does not see a cent of it!! They make more money!!

Watch out for the Dragon behind the Bamboo Curtain..

Couchy

Oddly enough... Nearly ten years to the day...
 

Spitfireace

Well-Known Member
Tbh, irrespective of whether it’s China or anywhere else in the world, the important thing should be avoiding where possible cheap clothing that’s knocked out of sweatshops, where the employees work in horrific conditions and the facilities cause a huge amount of environmental damage (chemical dyes washing into the watercourse etc). The environmental impact of all this cheap clothing is fairly catastrophic. At an economic and social level the offshoring of garment production has absolutely gutted domestic industry, putting millions of people out of jobs, all so we can buy stuff at the lowest possible cost (far below what should be paid for such items).

It’s a difficult subject for sure, because an Eastman jacket may be out of the reach for those on a modest income and so I’m loath to criticise someone who seeks out a lower cost alternative, and ends up buying ‘made in China’.

For me, the least impactful thing I can do, which limits environmental harm and doesn’t totally trash domestic jobs, is to buy the top notch stuff second hand or buy genuine vintage.
Not buying from china....
 

Ken at Aero Leather

Well-Known Member
Monthly wages are extremely low in Bangladesh and Myanmar at $95. In Vietman and Cambodia, garment workers are paid around of $180 so it;s not just China
meanwhile an Aero apprentice will receive around £1500 a month..............and they can take a break to suit themselves not a bell ringing

Level playing field? Hardly
 
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stanier

Well-Known Member
Monthly wages are extremely low in Bangladesh and Myanmar at $95. In Vietman and Cambodia, garment workers are paid around of $180 so it;s not just China
meanwhile an Aero apprentice will receive around £1500 a month..............and they can take a break to suit themselves not a bell ringing

Level plasying field? Hardly

IMHO, import tariffs should be added to these to level up the playing field. And use some of the money made used to level up life standards with those overseas workers. Please don't misunderstand me, I love a bargain like anyone else, but I find it deeply concerning and distasteful when that bargain is often delivered by exploiting overseas workers and lower employment standards. And in the process killing our own ability to make quality "stuff" and provide quality jobs for people in the west.

I dread to think how many jackets Ken, for example, has to sell each month and every month, before he makes a penny of profit.
 

Ken at Aero Leather

Well-Known Member
Worse still, the profits from cheap labour go to "charming" folk like Philip Green who pays f*ck all tax and uses the profits from Arcadia to bankrupt firms like BHS and steal their pension funds
And he's not alone but a long stretch of the imagination
 

Ken at Aero Leather

Well-Known Member
I dread to think how many jackets Ken, for example, has to sell each month and every month, before he makes a penny of profit.

Quite a few with a payroll of 25 :>(
THankfully we haved a very sucessful non jacket division, (largely ignored by social media and forums) Trousers, Knitwear, Footwear, Suits make up a large part of our turnover .................BTW ALL of which are made in The UK and all the cloth & wool used is UK made excepot the Suits which are made in Germany
 

dinomartino1

Well-Known Member
Blame the free market and capitalism not China and other low wage countries.
The reason big companies have moved production there is simple, they make more profit.
Better throw away your iPhone, computer, TV and just about everything else most normal consumers own, even Swiss watches use Chinese parts and you had better stop riding a modern Harley.

  • One of the reasons companies manufacture their products in China is because of the abundance of lower-wage workers available in the country.
  • China's business ecosystem of networked suppliers, component manufacturers, and distributors has evolved to make it a more efficient and cost-effective place to manufacture products.
  • While Western manufacturers comply with various health, safety, employment, and environmental regulations, Chinese manufacturers generally operate under a much more permissive regulatory environment.
  • China has been accused of artificially depressing the value of its currency in order to keep the price of its goods lower than those produced by foreign competitors.
As of Jan. 2020, Shanghai’s minimum hourly rate is 22 yuan ($3.16) per hour or 2,480 yuan ($355.70) a month. In Shenzhen, the rate is 2,200 yuan per month ($315.55) and 20.3 yuan ($2.91) per hour based on an exchange rate of 1 yuan = $0.14.

The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list and this list is out of date.

This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their products
in China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,
or certain ingredients for their products.
Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing products
for 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.

AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation
 
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B-Man2

Well-Known Member
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the idea that the US government could oversee and deter US corporations buying from or manufacturing in China would be an event that would only happen in time of war. Additionally just looking at the 1% list of US Corporations I’m sure that most of Europe would have difficulty in boycotting goods from China as well. While we as individuals might have a preference or a desire to move away from buying Chinese made products, the reality is that we in the US would literally have to almost re- industrialize to accomplish the task.. But once again our politicians with our concurrence promoted this agenda and in fact many are still promoting it today.
 
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saucerfiend

Well-Known Member
Hey Brian!
Hope alls well.
US military doesn’t buy uniforms from China for several reasons. Think about it , It wouldn’t take much effort for any country producing US military uniforms to impregnate them with a marking substance to make them detectable or develop a technology to identify camo patterns on the battle field or by air, thus marking US troops and making them vulnerable to air attacks.
Burt,
Maybe not directly from China. However, some or even many of their clothing providers outsource to China. The last pair of
Rothco service shoes I owned was made in China. And you could tell by the cheap workmanship.
 

Ken at Aero Leather

Well-Known Member
Blame the free market and capitalism not China and other low wage countries.
The reason big companies have moved production there is simple, they make more profit.
Better throw away your iPhone, computer, TV and just about everything else most normal consumers own, even Swiss watches use Chinese parts and you had better stop riding a modern Harley.

  • One of the reasons companies manufacture their products in China is because of the abundance of lower-wage workers available in the country.
  • China's business ecosystem of networked suppliers, component manufacturers, and distributors has evolved to make it a more efficient and cost-effective place to manufacture products.
  • While Western manufacturers comply with various health, safety, employment, and environmental regulations, Chinese manufacturers generally operate under a much more permissive regulatory environment.
  • China has been accused of artificially depressing the value of its currency in order to keep the price of its goods lower than those produced by foreign competitors.
As of Jan. 2020, Shanghai’s minimum hourly rate is 22 yuan ($3.16) per hour or 2,480 yuan ($355.70) a month. In Shenzhen, the rate is 2,200 yuan per month ($315.55) and 20.3 yuan ($2.91) per hour based on an exchange rate of 1 yuan = $0.14.

The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list and this list is out of date.

This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their products
in China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,
or certain ingredients for their products.
Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing products
for 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.

AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation

I've counted just over a dozem I currently or fairly recently used. About the same number I used way back. I don't know if I should be dissapointed it's so many or pleased it's so few ?
 

Rutger

Well-Known Member
Blame the free market and capitalism not China and other low wage countries.
The reason big companies have moved production there is simple, they make more profit.
Better throw away your iPhone, computer, TV and just about everything else most normal consumers own, even Swiss watches use Chinese parts and you had better stop riding a modern Harley.

  • One of the reasons companies manufacture their products in China is because of the abundance of lower-wage workers available in the country.
  • China's business ecosystem of networked suppliers, component manufacturers, and distributors has evolved to make it a more efficient and cost-effective place to manufacture products.
  • While Western manufacturers comply with various health, safety, employment, and environmental regulations, Chinese manufacturers generally operate under a much more permissive regulatory environment.
  • China has been accused of artificially depressing the value of its currency in order to keep the price of its goods lower than those produced by foreign competitors.
As of Jan. 2020, Shanghai’s minimum hourly rate is 22 yuan ($3.16) per hour or 2,480 yuan ($355.70) a month. In Shenzhen, the rate is 2,200 yuan per month ($315.55) and 20.3 yuan ($2.91) per hour based on an exchange rate of 1 yuan = $0.14.

The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list and this list is out of date.

This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their products
in China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,
or certain ingredients for their products.
Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing products
for 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.

AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation

Yeah, that's about it. Combine worldwide human greed and that is exactly what you get. It is what we have always seen, the cycle will not ever stop either.
Because people will never be satisfied. We need growth, more profit, more turnover to survive; at least that is the mantra of the smart & greedy. Which is just a lie and a disguise, because in the end it's greed to fill one's own pockets with more, always more.
 

Micawber

Well-Known Member
Blame the free market and capitalism not China and other low wage countries.
The reason big companies have moved production there is simple, they make more profit.
Better throw away your iPhone, computer, TV and just about everything else most normal consumers own, even Swiss watches use Chinese parts and you had better stop riding a modern Harley.

  • One of the reasons companies manufacture their products in China is because of the abundance of lower-wage workers available in the country.
  • China's business ecosystem of networked suppliers, component manufacturers, and distributors has evolved to make it a more efficient and cost-effective place to manufacture products.
  • While Western manufacturers comply with various health, safety, employment, and environmental regulations, Chinese manufacturers generally operate under a much more permissive regulatory environment.
  • China has been accused of artificially depressing the value of its currency in order to keep the price of its goods lower than those produced by foreign competitors.
As of Jan. 2020, Shanghai’s minimum hourly rate is 22 yuan ($3.16) per hour or 2,480 yuan ($355.70) a month. In Shenzhen, the rate is 2,200 yuan per month ($315.55) and 20.3 yuan ($2.91) per hour based on an exchange rate of 1 yuan = $0.14.

The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list and this list is out of date.

This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their products
in China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,
or certain ingredients for their products.
Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing products
for 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.

AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation

This.

That list just illustrates some of the vast range of western companies who have facilities producing products or have products manufactured for them in China. We have moved on from simply buying Chinese made products to having our own facilities out there producing products using Chinese workers. Many are still unaware of this.
 

Technonut2112

Well-Known Member
I have, and will continue, to purchase the best of what I like and can afford.... I live on an extremely limited monthly income, and am grateful that Chinese manufacturers like Bronson, Non-Stock, etc. exist. Even purchasing their goods requires me to plan ahead and sacrifice other things at times.
 

dinomartino1

Well-Known Member
Most western countries had tariffs on imported goods to protect local industry and in just about every country many industries have become non existent or negligible since they where removed and I doubt many countries would ever bring tariffs back again.
China did not cause these factories to close big business did.
For many younger people used to buying things now they will not remember how the quality and materials used in most things now are so poor compared to what they used to be.
I am 56 and it seems now that what used to be everyday items that working people could afford to buy are now luxury high end items if you want the same quality, yet the cost of making goods is now way cheaper now and the materials used and workmanship are lower.
Yes when I was younger you could pay more or less for something but you could see the difference and it was up you to choose, now most stuff is shit and you are paying for the name not the quality and anything made like it used to be becomes a special "premium" line, why don't most people realise that means what they make now is second rate cheap garbage.
In the USA in the early 60s a pair of levis was about $5 and the average income for American families in 1963 was $6200 or $119 per week so a pair of levis was %4.2 of the average weekly income. Made in the USA
Want the same quality now well you will pay through the nose.
A pair of LVC 1961 levis is $278 and a whopping %23.74 of the average family weekly income for 2019 which was $89,930.70 a year. Made in Turkey?
 
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Skyhawk

Well-Known Member
I don't think that you could find a phone or computer that was not made, at least in part, in China these days. Unfortunately we have become very reliant on them for our modern products. I would think that nearly all of us use Chinese goods in some form in our daily life at home and at work.
 
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