hahaha, yeah, collar turned up. its how i always wear my jacs. kinda started with original a-2s. i didnt and dont want to put more folding on the collars of originals as the collars are often vulnerable to fatigue due to years of being folded over. reckon its just the way i wear em all now. also, it was in the high 30s-low 40s and the winds were appx 30mph when we went out to shoot. thus the reason for the jacs zipped , and cinched up. the westfall will need a seasons wear to fully break in as it is made of a mid-heavy weight cow hide,,,buts it is already taking form. the aeronaut is real comfy out of the box, as it is made of an amazing cape skin. in fact, i drove some 100+ miles later that day, and was impressed that the jac did not crimp under the arms, and the sleeves did not ride up to my fore arms. the true color of the aeronaut is a caramel russet, and the true color of the westfall is a seal with reddish undertones. those familiar with 1940s-50s seal halfbelts will know what this color looks like in the flesh,,,so to speak. all in all, i couldnt be happier with these jacs. bk nailed it.