Still an awful lot of speculation and little documentation. I remain skeptical.
Cowboy,Hard to say .... I am just worring about the leather thickness not the stiffness, does not want affording a jacket with such a thin leather to my opinion it will be to fragile to wear! Been told that Horsehide as a reputation to be tough.
Exactly, and I think that's why information on it is scarce - nobody felt the need to stipulate "chrome tanned" because of course you'd pick chrome. It's the leather used for garments. The idea of taking veg-tanned leather, the stuff they used for bridle harnesses and saddles, and splitting it thin so you could make jackets out of it wasn't something people seriously thought about doing. Maybe that's pushing things a bit far. I suppose it's possible there were some veg-tanned jackets already, but I still think the tanning process wasn't specified in these documents because chrome was so standard for garments.Chrome tanned leather had been the standard for flying kit since it had first been stipulated its use on the first issued flying coats in the RFC and RNAS. Its water-proofing qualities are better than veg tanned so that's almost certainly the reason.
Ties You are right maybe it is just because we get the habits to wear thick mall leather jackets.... Sure they look bullet proof tough as nails... That's the way they've been soldt I bought my first civilian A2 with warmer handpockets that way years ago. To me a military repro flight jacket must be a second skin an armor. I was miles away from thinking that it is just a summer flight jacket .Cowboy,
I have been making patches for years....I can assure you that even the flimsiest leather is not easy to tear ;-).
Every patch, made from horse, pig or goat, fat or thin, had to be cut with a scalpel or a special circular cutter.
The WWII photos that Jan had posted show some really thin and drape-y jackets.
I would assume that they were perfectly fine for the intended purpose: Sitting in a seat for hours or moving within confined spaces.
So, walking around or driving your car...the thinner hides of Shawn's jackest should work just fine.
Would I have him make me a motorcycle jacket out of it? Unlikely...
But a Poughkeepsie repro? Sure...
It was here at VLJ where someone (I can't remember who it was, though) compared the A-2 in style and appearance to a (glorified) shirt made from leather...Ties You are right maybe it is just because we get the habits to wear thick mall leather jackets.... Sure they look bullet proof tough as nails... That's the way they've been sold I bought my first civilian A2 with warmer handpockets that way years ago. To me a military repro flight jacket must be a second skin an armor. I was miles away from thinking that it is just a summer flight jacket .
Indeed it is very interesting to follow this discussion. I learned a lot of things.I’ve been reading this thread with a great deal of interest . You guys are impressive with the amount of insight and knowledge you have on this topic . After reading this thread I just have one thing to request :
If anyone has this Chromed Tanned GW that JC made and is interested in selling it , please PM me. I would love to own this one .
This answered a question I too long had.As for color variations, the chrome tanning of the past was not as bullet proof as today's methods. Also, you get different results if you drum dye and then chrome tan, then if you chrome tan and spray pigment. Even more colorfast results if you drum dye, chrome tan and then spray dye and lacquer the jacket.
Superb point and a super important observation P-47.This is my DD ACME, chrome tan semi aniline finish, I think a particular point that I've noticed is the creasing on the arms which does not tunnel like my veg tanned eastman and many other repros. I think this particular aspect is more ww2 accurate and similar even to the 75 year + old originals. It has very pliable leather with a softer drape
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I found a few too. Seems like it comes up once every 10 years or so -- and still no solid conclusions.Ah, the old leather tanning and finishing subject comes around on the revolving stage again. Here's one of the previous threads...
Couldn't find a thread specifically on leather tanning. Forgive me if there is one and mods delete this thread if there is. We're talking specifically A-2's now So, veg tanning seems to be the one most "experts" deem the most period authentic but i believe chrome tanning was also done in WW2...www.vintageleatherjackets.org
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Except there are. Originals were chrome tanned. Chrome tanning and veg tanning give differing characteristics to the leather.I found a few too. Seems like it comes up once every 10 years or so -- and still no solid conclusions.
Was going to revert to a typical Chandler smart-alleck response, but I'm done with this discussion after seeing that it's been a debate for 20+ years.Except there are. Originals were chrome tanned. Chrome tanning and veg tanning give differing characteristics to the leather.