American Hero. John Mccain 1936-2018 RIP.

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  1. raulm1961

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  2. Smithy

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    A life well lived by any definition.
     
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    Made quite a good impression, on our Govt and the public those times he came to Australia
     
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    Certinly a controversial character. But as he is now heading for blue skies, those things are forgotten and only the positives remain.
     
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    Shameful internet tale going round that he caused the Forrestal disaster by shooting off his afterburner on deck. Not true!! It was a power surge that fired a rocket. McCain was hurt but not too badly to help roll bombs over the side before they could go off.
     
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    Afterburner? He was flying an A-4E, there's no afterburner on them!
     
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    I can't disagree with you more. McCain was neither "controversial" or a "character". I think that is what set him apart from his peers. He was steadfast in his principles, but remained civil and respectful doing it. I think that transcended politics, and is why so many that disagreed with him politically called him a friend. He also was not afraid to vote his conscience...and did not care who he annoyed in the process...Republicans or Democrats.
     
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    See what I mean???

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    This is what I respect about him the most. Quite a man, he was. Blue skies to him!
     
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    Read a bit about it after these posts, they are not talking about afterburners, but about a wet start. While this is way more realistic in the technical sense, I can barely imagine A. Someone doing it on a carrier deck on purpose B. This leading to such consequences C. Not having been told earlier.
     
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    Well put uncle, couldn't agree with you more.
     
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    Good for you !
    Can't say your disagreeing with me makes my opinion any more right or wrong than yours. Nor will your disagreeing change my opinion of you as a fellow jacket enthusiast or keep me awake tonight. Nor will i discuss this further. Happy Monday !
     
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  13. unclegrumpy

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    I think politics and politicians are difficult to discuss, especially if they are not from your country. It is hard even in your own country when opinions can be shaped by the news you get and who is reporting it. That cuts both ways on the political spectrum, and I think gets more complicated when it is seen through the perspective of another country's news media.

    That said, McCain is someone I think we would be talking about even if he never stepped foot into politics. Just like so many that served, I think he is someone who's actions make one pause and think....and consider, "what would I have done, and could I have done that?".

    In McCain's case, the starting point for these citations was being blown out of the sky, and landing in a lake in Hanoi with broken legs, a broken arm, and a host of other injuries...helplessly surrounded by the North Vietnamese:

    Silver Star
    AWARDED FOR ACTIONS
    DURING Vietnam War
    Service: Navy
    Rank: Commander
    Division: Prisoner of War
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    The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star to Commander John Sidney McCain, III (NSN: 0-624787), United States Navy, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity while interned as Prisoner of War in North Vietnam from 27 October to 8 December 1967. Commander McCain's captors, completely ignoring international agreements, subjected Commander McCain to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly toward the eventual abandonment of harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese, which was attracting international attention. By his determination, courage, resourcefulness, and devotion to duty, Commander McCain reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces.

    Legion of Merit
    AWARDED FOR ACTIONS
    DURING Vietnam War
    Service: Navy
    Division: Prisoner of War (North Vietnam)
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    The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Legion of Merit with Combat "V" to Commander John Sidney McCain, III (NSN: 0-624787), United States Navy, for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding services to the Government of the United States while interned as a Prisoner of War in North Vietnam from October 1967 to March 1973. Under the most adverse of conditions, he resisted all attempts by the North Vietnamese to use him in causes detrimental to the United States, never wavering in his devotion and loyalty to the United States. In an outstanding and tireless fashion, he served as Chaplain wherein he provided spiritual guidance, instilled constructive rehabilitative thinking and conducted religious services for the benefit of the other prisoners during their long internment. In addition, he served as an educator to provide diversion and constructive rehabilitative thinking to his fellow prisoners. Despite the lack of material aids, he devoted long hours toward improving their morale and well-being. His extraordinary skill, resourcefulness, and dedication to duty throughout this lengthy confinement reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces. (Commander McCain is authorized to wear the Combat "V".)
     
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    I've read a book about McCain and his time up through his release from the Hanoi Hilton and it's quite a good read. I also like that he stood up for what he thought was right, per Uncle's post, "no matter what party lines he crossed". His type of politician is rare and we need more like him.
     
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    Always should be country over party. Whether you agreed with his politics or not he was an American first and a hero.
     
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