Original Patched Monarch A-2 Coming Soon

Stony said:

After the Monarch arrives, the next jacket on my bucket list will be an original Cooper.

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That’s going to be a rare bird to find.
Good luck with your search . It may take a while.

That’s going to be a rare bird to find.
Good luck with your search . It may take a while.

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I've had one before and I know where it is. They probably won't part with it though.

Four jackets I've had previously that I should have never parted with are the B-G Inc., Monarch M-422, Monarch A-2 and Cooper A-2.

I now have all except the Cooper.

If in your searches, you come across any 42s... Please let me know.

Doesn't our esteemed Roughwear have one, is it he you're referring to as I'm sure he'd never part with it!

Brettafett said:

If in your searches, you come across any 42s... Please let me know.

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Or to me please

Doesn't our esteemed Roughwear have one, is it he you're referring to as I'm sure he'd never part with it!

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If you're referring to Gary, then yes he does, because he got it from me.

Actually not Gary but Andrew aka Roughwear who's collection inc's I believe one of virtually every original maker! Andrew seems to have gone a little quiet here of late after a bit of flak but that's another story/thread and I hope he returns soon?

thought this was Monarch

It is. Look at new thread in "Vintage" section.

B-Man2 said:

I guess we all had an opinion on this one, but my sincere apologies go out to Stoney for going a little sideways on his thread. Please do show us your original Monarch once it arrives. I would love to see it.

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sorry I made the Hijack.. didn't mean to do that....and by the way your Monarch is sweet....

stanier said:

Just my tuppence worth, but I’d be want to be very very very sure a vet of any nations services wanted to discuss any aspect of their service before approaching them.

I just can’t help feeling that it’s easy to assume a vet might feel enthusiasm for their service through the prism of our 21st century interest, and let’s face it hobby.

However, that vet may have seen and done things they’ve spent the best part of 70 plus years trying to forget and up pops someone in the twilight of their years to remind them. That’d sure make me less than friendly if I were in those shoes.

Just another perspective guys.

Cheers

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I'm a vet and I don't want to talk about it.. that much. except to say I was in....

Just wanted to weigh in on the dilemma with the old vet wanting his jacket back. Since I’m getting pretty close to that age (74) I can see things from a different perspective. Also in my over 41years of anesthesia practice, I have had lots and lots of interactions with elderly folks. So having said that not much is known about the old guys mental status. It’s pretty well documented that age decreases short term memory but long term stays relatively intact for much longer. However memory is selective, which often opens up a “can of worms”. The vet may not remember turning his jacket in, he only remembers that it was his and it disappeared. He may even believe that it was stolen. At any rate, he “lost it”, you have it and he wants it back. His feelings are, it was his throughout the war and he deserves to have it back. This theory s only valid if he has the mental acuity to make this rational process. The flip side of this, he may be and ornery old cuss that thinks because the jacket was once his he should get it back.
Second point, the vet is definitely in his twilight years, so what happens in a few months or years when he passes on? Does this really nice jacket get bundled up with the rest of his clothes and given to GoodWill or Salvation Army? Or do his kids and or grandkids realize it’s value and sell it? It will probably end up on eBay, but with a totally inadequate description and sold for a fraction of it’s true value.
While all of us have feelings of empathy for the original wearer, realistically you have no legal or moral obligation to return the jacket. What the old guy is forgetting is the fact that he was never the owner, just the wearer. The owner of this and all issued equipment and supplies was the US Government. He might have flown a P-51 for the entire war, but at the end of the war, he couldn’t fly his P-51 home even though it was “his” for several years.
It’s not that I don’t have empathy for the vet, because I do have massive amounts, however I feel like the jacket is a piece of history that you appreciate. I’m not at all sure that once the old vet has passed on, his family will have any feeling or inclination to preserve the jacket, other than convert it to cash.


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I don't feel anymore that I need to be sorry in any way that I am keeping this jacket.