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Buzz B15a (not convinced)

A2 B3au

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hi chaps I paid £230 plus shipping from buyee japan plus a £54 customs total charge for this used buzz rickson B15 a. It fits great but I’m not convinced that it’s genuine by certain aspects of the build quality and no other buzz rickson indicating labels in any pockets there’s only a Toyo enterprise washing label on an inside pocket. Please offer some opinions. Compared to my 2 other buzz jackets my gut telling me it’s not genuine
 
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B-Man2

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Go with your gut and the old thought that if sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Think about it for a second, if it were an authentic Buzz for that price, that means that the company would be undercutting all of their distributors such as History Preservation Assoc and others who deal in Buzz products . That just doesn’t happen, the distributors would be up in arms, and Buzz would be cutting their own lifelines
 
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ausreenactor

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It's an OLD Buzz Rickson. Assumption is that you bought it second hand from Buyee via auction? I have had great success using Buyee and it is great to see more forum members using it.

Buyee is a shipping agent for those that don't know. Not a retailer. The price on a used BR in a 40 for most jackets will be under USD$200 for Tanker, B-10s etc. This is a rarer B-15A.
I have only ever had one B-15A (Mod). The bidding went up because the 'locals' wanted it too. Google the jacket variant.. M13399. You will get some older pics.

Here is a 38.

https://www.microsofttranslator.com...ons.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d272706043?br=ro&#

It is a Buzz Rickson.
 

Pilot

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Sorry Art, no good...sorry....Above how it should be if good...
 
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A2 B3au

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Go with your gut and the old thought that if sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Think about it for a second, if it were an authentic Buzz for that price, that means that the company would be undercutting all of their distributors such as History Preservation Assoc and others who deal in Buzz products . That just doesn’t happen, the distributors would be up in arms, and Buzz would be cutting their own lifelines
No it was bought as a second hand jacket and I have seen the last couple sell for around the £300 mark so my logic based on a few reviews from users of the site and similar sites in japan was I could expect to save £50 odd quid and actually find one as there is quite a few to choose from and I’ve not seen many in the U.K.
 

A2 B3au

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Go with your gut and the old thought that if sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Think about it for a second, if it were an authentic Buzz for that price, that means that the company would be undercutting all of their distributors such as History Preservation Assoc and others who deal in Buzz products . That just doesn’t happen, the distributors would be up in arms, and Buzz would be cutting their own lifelines
I’m a big advocate of “if it’s to good to be true “ there’s normall a reason for that but on this occasion I have to say I’ve obtained my last couple of nearly new buzz ricksons for £300 and this works out just a bit cheaper , add to that it was purchased at 4am I’ve have to use that as an excuse for getting caught out. Hopefully I can get a refund as it’s all done thru PayPal ...Art
 

A2 B3au

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It's an OLD Buzz Rickson. Assumption is that you bought it second hand from Buyee via auction? I have had great success using Buyee and it is great to see more forum members using it.

Buyee is a shipping agent for those that don't know. Not a retailer. The price on a used BR in a 40 for most jackets will be under USD$200 for Tanker, B-10s etc. This is a rarer B-15A.
I have only ever had one B-15A (Mod). The bidding went up because the 'locals' wanted it too. Google the jacket variant.. M13399. You will get some older pics.

Here is a 38.

https://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ja&to=en&ref=SERP&rr=UC&a=https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d272706043?br=ro&#

It is a Buzz Rickson.
Thanks for that I’ll give it a look I hope your right ,I’m not so sure and those triangle leather tabs are done awfull ..fingers crossed
 

A2 B3au

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It is a Buzz Rickson? You bid and won the item? Now you are not happy with it?

What is the issue?
In the pics can u notice how the alpaca is secreating through the edge of the inside pocket and the labels been sewn on badly add to that a lot of loose threads and a kinda newish smell on the jacket itself. If it is indeed an older Buzz then it’s been stored and looked after very well,the army decal is diff to my other 2 buzz decals too. But it’s mainly downto the build quality of my other 2 buzz’s compared to this ....it’s just not there
 

A2 B3au

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It is a Buzz Rickson? You bid and won the item? Now you are not happy with it?

What is the issue?
I wanna be happy it fits great but I can’t have a fergasi .. notice the difference in the triangle tabs and how bad the second pic of it is
 

ausreenactor

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This is the risk when buying from Japan via an auction house. You can't ask questions and the translations are vague and confusing.
If there is doubt I don't bid. If the pictures are not assisting with the decision I don't bid. In a decade of buying from Japan I have had
a few jackets arrive that are a lot smaller than expected, adorned with cigarette smoke and the odd knit issue that I could not detect. I
have never had a fake purchased from the BR section. What was the start price on the jacket auction? Just remember you bid it up.

Caveat emptor. Same as on eBay. If this jacket went on eBay the price would have been even higher.

My 'daily wearer' is an M model Buzz Rickson. As good as new after 15 years. My go to jacket for my two hours of airconditioned, post
dinner bliss in the tropics.

It looks like you are just unhappy with the price vs jacket. Been there, done that. Buyee, the Forum and on eBay. Make a Paypal claim
and cross your fingers they don't required you to ship the jacket back... That would be a nightmare. Get your money, flip the jacket on
eBay and get paid twice for the jacket.
 

Teddy

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The alpaca lining looks much more authentic than the fake BR I bought. What's more, the label is more correct than the one I handled. Mine had an unexpected space on the line Buzz Rickson Enterprises.

Other than that, I cannot really provide any input as I'm not knowledgeable enough about the topic.
 

A2 B3au

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I got it for the starting bid of £217 plus fees n postage plus a £50 customs charge all of which seem more than reasonable and I’d much rather keep the jacket but if I can’t get a definitive answer on its authenticness then I’ll see what my options are. From what I could see the seller had no negative feedback and I’ve looked at the pics again and all faults Im concerned about can clearly be seen in them so they not trying to be deceptive. It feels good on and I just noticed on a pic someone else’s inside pockets and they seem to have the same alpaca on the inside pocket areas I was concerned about. My label seems to be carelessly stitched on compared to others tho ...nice one Art
 

A2 B3au

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This is the risk when buying from Japan via an auction house. You can't ask questions and the translations are vague and confusing.
If there is doubt I don't bid. If the pictures are not assisting with the decision I don't bid. In a decade of buying from Japan I have had
a few jackets arrive that are a lot smaller than expected, adorned with cigarette smoke and the odd knit issue that I could not detect. I
have never had a fake purchased from the BR section. What was the start price on the jacket auction? Just remember you bid it up.

Caveat emptor. Same as on eBay. If this jacket went on eBay the price would have been even higher.

My 'daily wearer' is an M model Buzz Rickson. As good as new after 15 years. My go to jacket for my two hours of airconditioned, post
dinner bliss in the tropics.

It looks like you are just unhappy with the price vs jacket. Been there, done that. Buyee, the Forum and on eBay. Make a Paypal claim
and cross your fingers they don't required you to ship the jacket back... That would be a nightmare. Get your money, flip the jacket on
eBay and get paid twice for the jacket.
Thanks for your input I did reply regarding the price and bid but forgot to reply to u but it’s on the post ...cheers Art
 

Geeboo

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It is a real Buzz. Before Buzz made jacket themselves they use Toyo Ent to make their jkt where the washing label always showed M 12345.
After Buzz make the jkt themselves, the washing label change to BR 12345
Toyo period Buzz is indeed of good quality in my opinion , not withstanding they are cheaper, Toyo's version seems to pay more attention to the authenticity level more consistently whereas for modern Buzz, many version are bad, while 1-2 version are excellent. That is my opinion only.
 

A2 B3au

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It is a real Buzz. Before Buzz made jacket themselves they use Toyo Ent to make their jkt where the washing label always showed M 12345.
After Buzz make the jkt themselves, the washing label change to BR 12345
Toyo period Buzz is indeed of good quality in my opinion , not withstanding they are cheaper, Toyo's version seems to pay more attention to the authenticity level more consistently whereas for modern Buzz, many version are bad, while 1-2 version are excellent. That is my opinion only.
Appreciate that
 

A2 B3au

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It is a real Buzz. Before Buzz made jacket themselves they use Toyo Ent to make their jkt where the washing label always showed M 12345.
After Buzz make the jkt themselves, the washing label change to BR 12345
Toyo period Buzz is indeed of good quality in my opinion , not withstanding they are cheaper, Toyo's version seems to pay more attention to the authenticity level more consistently whereas for modern Buzz, many version are bad, while 1-2 version are excellent. That is my opinion only.
Thanks so much for your opinion I really do value it as I know you are a knowledgeable dude when it comes to menswear and you certainly know your stuff so once again thanks I’m sure that buzz Rickson will only confirm what you’ve said
 

Geeboo

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Supplement that Toyo period's Buzz's QC may not be as good as modern Buzz QC. IMO, they got small places wrong, flipping thread, overlapping thread, secreating edges, etc, but big direction right - authenticity details - generally speaking . Look at the texture of your Toyo Alpaca lining vs Pilot's photo 's lining - yours textures seems to be Much more real than the 2nd photo.
For modern buzz, the QC is speechless, almost to a faultless level, they are small things right but big things sometimes wrong. but as said, very few version are excellent, really really good, but most are bad. For example, size small vs sz 36, the color & texture lining - esp. in N1, etc, etc
In short, one has to look at specific version's details - I think it depend on the person in charge of making it at the time.
 
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