zoomer
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Google does nothing here, Ken. What does this involve?
Maybe it's sea dog talk. "Arrr, hammer me turnings!"
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Buttoned Pocket Flaps A-2 Jackets
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Maybe it's sea dog talk. "Arrr, hammer me turnings!"
Dr H
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Himel is your friend...
http://himelbrothersleather.com/making-a-heron-a-1-sewing-the-body-sleeves-and-collar/
http://himelbrothersleather.com/making-a-heron-a-1-sewing-the-body-sleeves-and-collar/
Dr H
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zoomer
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Jiggs. We don't know that any 11th BS officer actually wore a Goldy - none might have been senior enough to get one - but chronologically it is possible. It's also a somewhat neater job than the other.
The Alaska patch* was for the summer, 1934 flight. I suspect all Goldys had been retired by then - Arnold's sure was. He had a Werber he'd worn since at least early '34, originally with a oblong group or wing patch, which left marks that are visible under the circular Alaska one. Looks like his name tag relocated, too.
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*Do you have a source for the colors that we don't know about? I don't think I've ever seen it in red.
The Alaska patch* was for the summer, 1934 flight. I suspect all Goldys had been retired by then - Arnold's sure was. He had a Werber he'd worn since at least early '34, originally with a oblong group or wing patch, which left marks that are visible under the circular Alaska one. Looks like his name tag relocated, too.
click to enlarge*Do you have a source for the colors that we don't know about? I don't think I've ever seen it in red.
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Geeboo
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"1934 flight. I suspect all Goldys had been retired by then (Arnold's sure was)." From 1931 to 1934, just about 3 years difference, got retired ?
11AS - what background color have U seen ? As said, I just guess.
Any other patches U could suggest to make it period correct ?
11AS - what background color have U seen ? As said, I just guess.
Any other patches U could suggest to make it period correct ?
zoomer
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There's not even a description of the colors in the Alaska patch - only this flag, and it was painted from memory decades later. (It doesn't even have a circle - it's evidently the logo painted on the planes.)
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One clue might be the patch on Capt. McClelland's jacket at far right. If the aircraft art is yellow, the surround of the patch might be, too.
Then again - here's Mac in the same jacket. A different type b&w film, sensitive to different spectrum, was probably used, as the patch now appears dark with a light border!
Other patches? Tough to say. If the jackets went only to senior officers, they would have been wearing group or wing patches, if any at all. We mostly know squadron insignia from the early '30s - not group or wing. It would be a question for the Air Force Museum, I would think.
click to enlargeOne clue might be the patch on Capt. McClelland's jacket at far right. If the aircraft art is yellow, the surround of the patch might be, too.
Then again - here's Mac in the same jacket. A different type b&w film, sensitive to different spectrum, was probably used, as the patch now appears dark with a light border!
Other patches? Tough to say. If the jackets went only to senior officers, they would have been wearing group or wing patches, if any at all. We mostly know squadron insignia from the early '30s - not group or wing. It would be a question for the Air Force Museum, I would think.
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zoomer
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Compare it to the patch on this early model B-3, from Feb. '35. The flaming arrow probably has some red or orange in the flame here! Perhaps the surround was brown to harmonize with the jacket fittings. And that's either the name tag off Hap's Goldsmith or an exact copy!
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zoomer
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I wish I could ID Tooey Spatz' patch on his prototype "XA-2," shown here in May, 1932, during his command of the 1st Wing. This is getting into the definite Goldsmith 31-1897 service test period.
Suspect the above patch, as worn by Hap. was not yet adopted. This looks like a "1" inside a bomb with plane wings on it. Colors? No clue! Only the USAFM probably knows...if anyone does!!!
Suspect the above patch, as worn by Hap. was not yet adopted. This looks like a "1" inside a bomb with plane wings on it. Colors? No clue! Only the USAFM probably knows...if anyone does!!!
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zoomer
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Rawhide mallet I suppose? A hammer leaves marks!
Ken at Aero Leather
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To flatten thick seams in readiness for top stitching we use standard Ball-Peen hammers, big end, hard edges worn down
Good leather won't mark if the user knows just how hard to hit it.
Any visitor to Aero must have heard the constant sound of hammering coming out of the machining room
Ken at Aero Leather
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Sadly the Mary Pickford Institute only came up with the following.....................
As far as I know, the man on the far left is an American aviator and the other two men in the middle are French Aviators. But that is all of the information that I have.
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As far as I know, the man on the far left is an American aviator and the other two men in the middle are French Aviators. But that is all of the information that I have.
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zoomer
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So US Navy service dress khaki is unrecognizable these days...especially with breeches...remind me to get Mary Pickford mixed up with Claudette Colbert sometime...
Ken at Aero Leather
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Yes, very disappointing after two weeks research
