Rust knits B10's - argument over?

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  1. johnwayne

    johnwayne Well-Known Member

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    Further to the topic discussed several times here as to proof they actually were made, hopefully this pic settles any doubters? True its a 70 year old pic and they could be usual brown but they certainly aint olive! Pic taken at Boxted 1944 and extracted from a Flypast mag special edition 4 years ago Red knit B10.jpg
     
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  2. Roughwear

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    Nice find Wayne. Is the quality of the photo good enough to confirm berry knits?
     
  3. Cocker

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    I don't know... It looks to me as the color of the waistband is very close to the color of the cap, which would be dark green/brownish. The picture seems over exposed, the OD of the Jug is almost black on it.
     
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  4. Thomas Koehle

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    Hmmm!

    I`d really like to confirm the existence of the berry-knits but find it difficult on base of this pic ...

    Like already said by cocker compared with the photographers crusher the knitting should be brownish somehow.

    Any efforts for your investigation highly apprechiated - thank you Wayne.

    Just my 2 cents ...
     
  5. johnwayne

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    Well Andrew, like I say its clear the're not the regular olive and having worked in the print industry all my life (so know a thing or two about how colour print's/fades/changes over time) it's convinced me albeit yes they could be brown. I guess the real proof would be to see Flypast's source pic but that'll probably be a digital image and doubt much if anything will have changed.
    Also, the colour of the shell of the jacket looks pretty faithful too!
     
  6. CBI

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    I don't see rust color here but whatever
     
  7. B-Man2

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    I'm looking at the photo on my IPhone and I expanded it to its largest size possible. I'm sorry but I don't see rust knits either.
     
  8. Smithy

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    I don't see rust/berry either but I like it as it's a great pic ;)
     
  9. johnwayne

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    I realise it may not be foolproof but again, the're not olive and quite a contrast from the shell of the jacket. Re the P47 Jug, I've looked at other pics of the very same and...it is a very dark almost black colour, certainly not olive drab.
     
  10. Grant

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    I don't see rust knits either, just a bitchin pic of a Zemke's Wolfpack jug!
     
  11. Grant

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    Here's another pic of Belle of Belemont as well as the first image downloaded directly from the IWM Roger Freeman collection.

    P-47_Thunderbolt_Belle_of_Belmont_of_the_56th_Fighter_Group.jpg Belle.jpg
     
  12. Smithy

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    Just had a look and Belle of Belmont wore standard Olive Drab 41 over Neutral Grey. I'll upload another version of this photo which appears to have more accurate colours...

    EDIT: Grant beat me to it with the pic!
     
  13. johnwayne

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    Oh well, I'll dispute it's a better pic going by the red engine cowling which is way too dark, as I originally said only the original image would prove what in the magazine image is rust/ brown but i'll concede it's not full proof!
     
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  16. Roughwear

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    Thanks for the new images chaps. It is just a conventional B-10 with green knits. :( I too was hoping for berry knits.
     
  17. Grant

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    Yep, green knits. Looks like a lovely day in the English countryside.
    Belle.jpg
     
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  18. MikeyB-17

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    I still think that rust knits on a B-10 are another of those Japanese ‘OK it’s not really authentic but it looks cool’ ideas. Like black B-3’s, or I vaguely recall an Irvin in some loopy colour years ago.
     
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    I happen to think Mikey that you've probably well and truly hit the nail on the head.
     
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  20. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    Someone I know likes to call them Buzz Rickson fantasy pieces/garments. They may be really neat, etc...just not authentic. In saying that, I have not opinion, or idea for that matter, if period B-10 jackets ever had rust knits. It's not a garment that I've ever had more than a passing interest in...so very little knowledge on my part.

    I just know that the Japanese are famous for these sorts of things as nice as the finished product may be. This is a little different and I love BR's deck jackets, but none of their stenciled N-1 deck jackets have ever been stenciled correctly. When you bring this up to Toyo/Buzz, their typically reply is that no one in Japan cares. So, retort do you really have? The Japanese market. where they really make their money. The stenciling issue has bothered me to no end, but you can't fight city call, in this case. A couple of years ago, I went with the non-stenciled "heavy" Buzz N-1 from HPA. It's great (though that Demotex label is not correct for a jacket...it was only seen in the bib overalls)

    - Ian
     
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